Topic: Tips for beginners (Seriously, Read this, it will help you alot)

<font color="orange">Here are some tips for the beginners out there, from me (a professional) to you.</font>

<font color="red">If you already have an acoustic guitar, Don't get an electric guitar (until you learn acoustic first) thats the best advice I can give you.  Playing an electric guitar is easy, therefore if you learn on an electric and want to play an acoustic later, you won't be able to...not well anyways.  Playing the acoustic will strengthen your fingers and give you the feel for the frets. </font>


<font color="blue">DVD's are not much good, and are more of a second choice, they work for some people, not for others. </font>


<font color="red">You should get yourself a chord chart listing all the major chords, the minor chords and maybe the scales if you want to be real fancy with it. get those chords learned before moving on.</font>

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After you learn the chords, find your strumming rhythm.  Nobody can teach you how to strum, thats something you figure out on your own.  Once you have learned all major chords (except b, that is a jazz chord and isn't used very often, but you can learn it if you want) and can switch between chords quickly, you can start learning the minor chords and others, or some of them anyways.  I Use Am, Bmaj7, D7, G7, Em, and others on a regular basis so thats important. </font>

When you can play a tune blindfolded, with your eyes closed or in the dark, you have learned how to play.  Some people think doing that is hard or impossible, but if you can really play, it isn't even the slightest bit difficult. </font>


<font color="red">Don't be cheap when buying your guitar, it will probably be with you your whole life, the best guitars in the world are made by Martin, Gretsch, Gallagher, Guild, Rickenbacker, Fender and Gibson.  Martin does make some low(er) priced models for beginners, around 700-800 bucks US (I Know thats alot, but it's worth it. </font>


<font color="blue">When choosing your strings, I reccomend Elxir strings, thats all I use and ever will use.  They are coated with some special coating that makes them last for years and years.  I have had a set on my guitar for 3 years and they still sound like brand new, with awesome tone and sound quality.  They will run you about 38 dollars, which is really worth it, because if you had to buy a regular set of strings every 2 months for 3 years, it would cost you quite a bit at around 10 dollars per pack.  If you can't afford these then go with Martin phosphor bronze strings. And for electric go with Fender strings. </font>


<font color="red">If you want a cheap, yet great sounding guitar, Yamaha makes some nice guitars. You can get elixir strings at pretty much any music store or at www.elixir.com, and martin strings at music stores as well or at www.martinstrings.com.  Now back to playing...Don't start out trying to play that "heavy metal" crap, just try some easy folk tunes or old country tunes, which mainly consist of 3 chords, most songs consist of 3 major chords.  Always strum up and down, unless you are playing a waltz which is where you hit the top string and do 2 down strums.  This isn't used very often.  All songs have their own beat, and you need to find it on your own, that can't be taught.  If you don't have a chord chart just go to Google Image search and type in for example "D major guitar chord" or whatever chord you need.  Thats what I do most of the time.  So I hope this helps all you beginners, if you need help with anything at all on the guitar you can send me an email at <a href="mailto:bigdjindustriez&#64;eastlink.ca" target="_blank">bigdjindustriez&#64;eastlink.ca</a> or go to my website at www.bigdjindustriez.tk  Peace out  <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy"> </font>

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Hi Big welcome to chordie

And if you really are a proffesional then I am sure people will be glad you are here to advise.

I never read all your post though as it was all crammed together and made it harder to read, but if you go back and edit it and break it up into paragraphs etc then it would be more pleasing to the eye if ye know what I mean.


I did read the first part though about learning on an electric first then trying to play on an acoustic, couldnt agree more.

My mate is still trying to play an acoustic after a year because he doesnt spend the time on his acoustic, only his electric. He is great on the electric but like you said, his fingers just are not strong enough to play the proper notes. But this is not a bad thing,  <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_lol.gif" border=0 alt="Laughing">  it makes me sound better than him sometimes.


cheers

Ken

ye get some that are cut out for the job and others just get by from pretending

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Awh bugger!!  I've been learning on me Mexican Strat and I'm currently looking around for a nice acoustic (got my eye on either a Takamine or Tanglewood).......now I find out I'm gonna be rubbish and will be back at square one!!!   <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_cry.gif" border=0 alt="Crying or Very Sad">



Hmmph!


I had a wee shot on my tutors acoustic and have to agree with what you say.

Barre chords have been coming along reasonably well on my Strat, however, they were absolutely dreadfull on his acoustic, I could barely get a sound out of it.


Lesson learned?

Indeed! learn on an acoustic!!


Don't get me wrong I wouldn't get shot of my Strat for love nor money. 'tis my baby.  <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">

Blind acceptance is a sign, of stupid fools who stand in line.  John Lydon.

'Mod' is a shorter word for 'young, beautiful and stupid' - we've all been there." - Pete Townshend.

Re: Tips for beginners (Seriously, Read this, it will help you alot)

<b>"If you already have an acoustic guitar, Don't get an electric guitar (until you learn acoustic first) thats the best advice I can give you. Playing an electric guitar is easy, therefore if you learn on an electric and want to play an acoustic later, you won't be able to...not well anyways. Playing the acoustic will strengthen your fingers and give you the feel for the frets."</b>


I started playing in 1968 on a pre-CBS Fender Telecaster.  In the past three months, I've had people tell me that I'm "better than", let's see...Chet Atkins, Wes Montgomery, Django Reinhardt, Merle Haggard, James Taylor, Waylon Jennings (that's probably because of my voice), et al.  Do I believe them for a minute?  No!  But apparently people think I play well enough, and feel some enthusiasm for my playing, and mostly what I play is acoustic (even on the Wes Montgomery stuff, I'm a heretic, I know).  I think you can start with either acoustic or electric, but be prepared for some awkwardness when you switch to the other.


<b>"DVD's are for idiots, remember that. If you tell someone you learned off of a dvd they will laugh in your face! you need to get yourself a chord chart listing all the major chords, get those learned and find your strumming rhythm. Nobody can teach you how to strum, thats something you figure out on your own. Once you have learned all major chords (except b, that is a jazz chord and isn't used very often, but you can learn it if you want) and can switch between chords quickly, you can start learning the minor chords and others, or some of them anyways. I Use Am, Bmaj7, D7, G7, Em, and others on a regular basis so thats important. When you can play a tune blindfolded, with your eyes closed or in the dark, you have learned how to play. Some people think doing that is hard or impossible, but if you can really play, it isn't even the slightest bit difficult."</b>


If you can learn comfortably from a DVD, and learn well, why not?  Anyone who would "laugh in your face" for learning from a DVD has got problems I can't help them with.  Never concern yourself with what the rest of the world thinks, as long as you know you're doing things right.  Play for yourself.


And chord charts?  Actually, chords are constructed from scales.  Get some scale charts.  In the end, there really isn't anything BUT scales.  Learn your scales and along the way, you'll figure out things like how to construct chords.


As for the importance of strumming, what if I want to play fingerstyle?  Get yourself a metronome, work on your rhythm, regardless of what technique you use.


As for chords, I'd have to debate you on a "B" chord being a jazz chord.  You should probably learn it.  And what the heck, learn all the derivatives, variations, and inversions while you're at it.  And learn the "B" scales, too.  And when you're done, work on A, C, D, E, F, and G, too.


<b>"Don't be cheap when buying your guitar, it will probably be with you your whole life, the best guitars in the world are made by Martin, Gretsch, Gallagher, Guild, Rickenbacker, Fender and Gibson. Martin does make some low(er) priced models for beginners, around 700-800 bucks US (I Know thats alot, but it's worth it."</b>


I find Martins consistently average.  Since 1968, I've never played one that made me say, "Wow!"  They're not bad guitars.  Just consistently <i>average</i>.  I have no desire for a Gretsch acoustic.  I would take one of their big electric rockabilly bombers, though.  Gallagher?  Hmmm.  Nice guitars, but rather brutally priced for beginners or anyone not fanatically committed to steel string guitar for life.


Now Guild I can agree on.  The new Guilds, whether USA-built or the cheaper imported GAD series, impress me very much!


Rickenbacher.  Do they make acoustics?  We are talking about acoustic playing, aren't we?  Hmmm.  I guess if you're a Beatles fan.


Fender.  I like their electrics.  For acoustics, I'd rather have their subsidiary, Guild.


Gibson?  Nice, but be careful.  Quality tends to vary widely.  Play lots of them, then pick THE one from the bunch you've played and inspected.


You didn't mention Taylors.  Taylors sound like someone throwing the silverware drawer down the basement steps to me.  But to each his own.  Some people go for that jangly sound I guess.


And let's not forget Larrivee.  Genuinely terrific guitars.  On par with or exceeding the excellent recent Tacoma-made Guilds.


As for Martin's 700-800 dollar offerings, I'll pass.  I'd rather drop that money on an all-solid-wood Guild GAD-series guitar.  Or maybe stretch up to a Larrivee at 800-900.  Martins in that price range are <i>usually</i> laminate.  Note that I italicized "usually".  Now and then you can find one in that range that's all solid woods.  If you can, try it and see if you like it.  In general, try to buy an acoustic guitar of all-solid-woods.  At the very least, get a solid top.  Don't accept anything that doesn't have a solid top.  And try to get bone nut and saddle.  Or at least Tusq.  Avoid plastic.  But you don't have to spend a fortune.  I own six guitars right now, and amongst the more expensive beauties, I have a Seagull S6+ Spruce, solid top, laminate back and sides, that I like very much.  Bought it as a beater to drag around.  It would make a great beginner's guitar.


<b>"When choosing your strings, I reccomend Elxir strings, thats all I use and ever will use. They are coated with some special coating that makes them last for years and years. I have had a set on my guitar for 3 years and they still sound like brand new, with awesome tone and sound quality. They will run you about 38 dollars, which is really worth it, because if you had to buy a regular set of strings every 2 months for 3 years, it would cost you quite a bit at around 10 dollars per pack. If you can't afford these then go with Martin phosphor bronze strings. And for electric go with Fender strings."</b>


There's not much that I dislike more than coated strings.  Right up there with broccoli slaw on my list of things I don't like.  But some people like broccoli slaw.  Try different strings and see what you like.  I tend to prefer D'Addario strings myself, but most brands are at least acceptable.  Experiment.


The only time I left strings on a guitar for 3-years was when I was wandering around Africa and couldn't get to a music store.  I don't care what they're coated with, you need to change your strings!  Think about wiping down your fretboard with some lemon oil while you're changing them.


<b>"If you want a cheap, yet great sounding guitar, Yamaha makes some nice guitars."</b>


Yamaha guitars suffer from the horrendously heavy finish with which they insist on coating them.  They're OK, but I've played solid-top, laminate-body guitars alongside an all-solid-wood Yamaha, and the solid-topped laminate guitars won.


<b>"Now back to playing...Don't start out trying to play that "heavy metal" crap, just try some easy folk tunes or old country tunes, which mainly consist of 3 chords, most songs consist of 3 major chords."</b>


Hmmm.  Most of the metal I've played over the years was pretty simplistic.  I think you can start with it if you really want to play that kind of music.  Just crank up the gain and hit those power chords.  I still play some Black Sabbath tunes on the rare occasions that I pick up an electric guitar.


<b>"Always strum up and down, unless you are playing a waltz which is where you hit the top string and do 2 down strums. This isn't used very often."</b>


This assumes that strumming is the only way to play.  Have a look at some of Mark Hanson's books over at Amazon.  Try the Travis Picking book.  As for the 3/4 time thing, I disagree.  Especially in country, it's used VERY often.  Get a metronome and work on your timing.  Playing along with CDs helps, too.  And even (gasp!) DVDs.


<b>"All songs have their own beat, and you need to find it on your own, that can't be taught."</b>


Although you could cheat and use a metronome.


<b>"If you don't have a chord chart just go to Google Image search and type in for example "D major guitar chord" or whatever chord you need. Thats what I do most of the time."</b>


That must wreak havoc with a stage show!  Chord charts are fine, but also study scales, and find out why that particular fingering makes that particular chord, and even learn to build chords from scratch yourself.  I realize that the standard reaction to telling people in a guitar forum to learn to read music and understand theory is for the person offering such advice to be immediately flame-broiled and told that they don't know what they're talking about, but, learn to read music and understand theory.  It's not hard.  You don't have to abandon tablature, you can still use that, too.  But if you're going to play, do yourself a favor and learn.  You'll be glad you did.


<b>"So I hope this helps all you beginners, if you need help with anything at all on the guitar you can send me an email at <a href="mailto:bigdjindustriez&#64;eastlink.ca" target="_blank">bigdjindustriez&#64;eastlink.ca</a> or go to my website at www.bigdjindustriez.tk Peace out"</b>


Your desire to help others is admirable, even if I don't agree with you on <i>some</i> things.  I think it's incumbent on those of us who have been around awhile to try to steer newcomers in the right direction.  And it's incumbent on you newcomers to learn, explore, and then show us geezers there's a better way.  You're never too old to learn, and that even includes me.  There's no such thing as "good enough" when it comes to playing guitar.  It's a lifelong learning experience.


Oubaas  <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">

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Well said, Thank you Oubass. As mentioned (in previous post) I play a Guild F45-CE(1984 dated per serial number, I am the One and only owner) Florentine cut mahagony back & neck, rose wood finger board & sides and spruce top with B-band UST & AST pickups and an A2 preamp. It is set up to play medium lights and plays great.  Once again Great reply!


Bootlegger.

Bootlegger guitars.

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Hi,

These posts have made smile if not laugh. I suppose unsolicited advice given in a dictatorial manner would ruffle a few feathers of our more experienced members.  <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">

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You learn fast.  Take it with a grain of salt because the teacher is also becomes the student at times. There is no end to learning. The experienced on this forum are trying to give advise as they learned from others and their own trials to help you become a better overall player.


Most of us elder statesmen (most of the time I don't act like it and it doesn't mean were old men either  <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy"> ) have made mistakes and learned the hardway. But that doesn't mean you can't learn from our experience as we have learned from others who took the time to teach. Will you make mistakes of your own and learn yes and that's when you'll remember these threads.  Be glad that we take the time to share our experience.


Bootlegger.

Bootlegger guitars.

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My post was not meant to upset anyone, just point some beginners in the right direction.  As for Martin guitars being "average" tell that to most of the musicians in the world today who play them.  I Come from a family of the greatest instrumentalists who ever lived, not that I am one of them, but still.  When you can play as good as my uncle JP Cormier (www.jp-cormier.com) let me know, and I will listen to whatever you say.  I Don't doubt that some of the people here know what they are talking about...although I have gotten many songs off of here with the chords so wrong that it didn't even remotely sound like the song.  As for Yamaha guitars being poor quality, I have a Yamaha FX TBS-40 (Retail $550.00 CAN) and it is the best sounding guitar I have ever played.  Sure it's no match for my 1963 Gibson stereo, but then again, what is? The reason I say "DVD's Are crap" is because they are usually a rip off, unless it's Doc Watson or somebody teaching the course, All they really know is the basics.  I Am a folk and old country style guitar player, not into rock.  Some people can learn on an electric and play the acoustic later, some can't.  Personally I learned on both a strat model and a Gibson jumbo D shoulder model acoustic, and have no problem applying adequate string pressure.  As for you not liking coated strings...Elixir coated strings made by Martin are the most used strings today by all musicians, and if you haven't tried them, you don't know what they are like...they are not like other coated strings.  D'addario are the cheapest crap you can buy, and are even lower quality than factory strings.  Sorry to get all of you in a huff. peace

DJ Cormier
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<b>"Sorry to get all of you in a huff."</b>


I'm not in a huff.  Can't speak for others.


<b>"My post was not meant to upset anyone, just point some beginners in the right direction."</b>


Try not to discourage them while you're guiding them, i.e., starting with electric vs. acoustic, use of DVDs, etcetera.  That's the only reason I answered.


<b>"As for Martin guitars being "average" tell that to most of the musicians in the world today who play them."</b>


Sorry, I'm not a follower, and don't care about "most of the musicians in the world today".  I don't need to tell it to them.  My ears can decide it all by themselves.  So can my hands, with the neck and action.  I play what I like, not what other people tell me to like.  Note that I didn't say they were bad guitars, they're not.  But they don't offer anything that can't be beaten in an A-B comparison with other makes, usually at a substantially cheaper price.


<b>"I Come from a family of the greatest instrumentalists who ever lived, not that I am one of them, but still. When you can play as good as my uncle JP Cormier (www.jp-cormier.com) let me know, and I will listen to whatever you say."</b>


I know a gecko who has an uncle that was a Tyrannosaurus Rex.  But he's still a gecko.  As for being able to play as good as J.P. Cormier, that's hard to say.  I've never heard him play.  But frankly, I can't think of anyone living or dead that I'd be afraid to cut heads with.  Maybe I'm over-confident.  But other people don't seem to think so, including some very good musicians.  I'd say I'm fair-to-middlin'.


<b>"I Don't doubt that some of the people here know what they are talking about...although I have gotten many songs off of here with the chords so wrong that it didn't even remotely sound like the song."</b>


LOL!  Yep, I've gotten some of those transcriptions, too.  It's put me in the habit of just figuring it out myself.


<b>"As for Yamaha guitars being poor quality, I have a Yamaha FX TBS-40 (Retail $550.00 CAN) and it is the best sounding guitar I have ever played. Sure it's no match for my 1963 Gibson stereo, but then again, what is?"</b>


Whoa, hoss!  I never said Yamahas were "poor quality".  Their quality is unquestionable, as far as construction goes.  But those heavy gloss finishes tend to take the edge off what would otherwise be, no doubt, genuinely brilliant tone.  I played one of their solid wood handmades, and as I said, a solid-top, laminate-bodied guitar topped it for tone and projection.  But if they ever lay off the heavy gloss and offer a thin nitro, or better yet, a French polish finish on the L series, I'll buy one that very day!


<b>"The reason I say "DVD's Are crap" is because they are usually a rip off, unless it's Doc Watson or somebody teaching the course, All they really know is the basics."</b>


Buy from reputable sources.  Try Homespun Tapes.  They don't sell tapes anymore, but they have a lot of DVDs by some very good instructors.


<b>"As for you not liking coated strings...Elixir coated strings made by Martin are the most used strings today by all musicians, and if you haven't tried them, you don't know what they are like...they are not like other coated strings."</b>


I've tried them.  I don't like them.  Neither do a whole lot of other people.  But as I noted, some people do like them.  Hence my recommendation to try lots of strings.  Only by trying it will you know if you like broccoli slaw.  I don't.


<b>"D'addario are the cheapest crap you can buy, and are even lower quality than factory strings."</b>


Based on what?  You might want to pop 'round the D'Addario site and take a look at the "Artists" page, and the names under each subcategory.  It's surprising how many well-known, successful musicians are being taken in by D'Addario, LOL!  There's actually nothing wrong with D'Addario strings.  In fact, they're pretty good strings, based on the guitar playing I've done since 1968.  That's 38 or 39 years of guitar playing talking.  I might have learned a thing or two about strings in that time, don't you think?


No one is out for your head.  But your worldview isn't the only one in existence.  And if you give advice, be prepared for one of us old codgers to pipe up and disagree if we think it's needed.  Advise without discouraging or disparaging.  I'm fairly sure there are people out there somewhere learning from DVDs who aren't idiots.  And the world won't end if you learn to play on an electric guitar.


Oubaas <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">

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I Don't have any problem with you sir, and I don't claim to know everything, all I know is what experience has taught me.  I'm sure you know what you're talking about to a certain extent, same as I know what i'm talking about to an extent.  You may like d'addario strings, but I don't because they don't last very long.  If you play a set of d'addario strings that are brand new, and I play my elixir strings that are 3 years old, they will sound better than the d'addario.  I Also like them because they muffle the squeaking of your fingers on the strings down to an almost not audible level without compromising overall sound.


<b>Whoa, hoss! I never said Yamahas were "poor quality". Their quality is unquestionable, as far as construction goes. But those heavy gloss finishes tend to take the edge off what would otherwise be, no doubt, genuinely brilliant tone. I played one of their solid wood handmades, and as I said, a solid-top, laminate-bodied guitar topped it for tone and projection. But if they ever lay off the heavy gloss and offer a thin nitro, or better yet, a French polish finish on the L series, I'll buy one that very day!</b>


My Yamaha doesn't have a heavy finish at all, infact it's so thin you can plainly see the grain of the wood on the top and sides.  You have probably never seen my guitar although it is fairly new, it is not on the yamaha website.  If you want to learn off of a dvd go right ahead, that's not my problem, as far as I'm concerned it's better to figure the whole thing out on your own or from a real person.  I'm happy to entertain any comments you can throw at me lol.  So yeah, I'm not saying anyone is wrong or right, just stating my experience. peace

DJ Cormier
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OK now can one of you tell me, do I look for dvd's to teach me? or an instructor? do I search google for chords or scales? what about the guitar, yahama or fender? or something else.

acustic or electric??

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<b>"OK now can one of you tell me, do I look for dvd's to teach me?"</b>


That's up to you, but if you do, I'd wait until I had some guitar mileage under my belt.  But try here if you're ready to go the DVD route:


<a href="http://www.homespuntapes.com/" target="_blank">http://www.homespuntapes.com/</a>


<b>"...or an instructor?"</b>


Hmmm.  You could try it.  But there's no reason you can't teach yourself.  Finding a genuinely GOOD one is tough.  And expensive.  But if you do find a good one, it'll be worthwhile.  It's a roll of the dice.  Invest a hundred bucks in an education.  You can teach yourself well with these books if you actually use them:


The Guitar Handbook by Ralph Denyer  $17.13


<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Guitar-Handbook-Ralph-Denyer/dp/0679742751/sr=1-1/qid=1165686218/ref=sr_1_1/102-0961200-3158529?ie=UTF8&s=bo14.56+oks" target="_blank"> http://www.amazon.com/Guitar-Handbook-R … /dp/067974 2751/sr=1-1/qid=1165686218/ref=sr_1_1/102-0961200-3158529?ie =UTF8&s=bo14.56+oks</a>


Guitar Chords & Scales, An Easy Reference for Acoustic or Electric Guitar from Hal Leonard Publishing  $5.95


<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Guitar-Chords-Scales-Reference-Acoustic/dp/063405273X/sr=1-1/qid=1165686274/ref=sr_1_1/102-0961200-3158529?ie=UTF8&s=books" target="_blank"> http://www.amazon.com/Guitar-Chords-Sca … ce-Acousti c/dp/063405273X/sr=1-1/qid=1165686274/ref=sr_1_1/102-0961200 -3158529?ie=UTF8&s=books</a>


Music Theory, Everything You Ever Wanted to Know But Were Afraid to Ask by Tom Kolb  $12.21


<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Music-Theory-Guitarists-Everything-Wanted/dp/063406651X/sr=11-1/qid=1165686317/ref=sr_11_1/102-0961200-3158529" target="_blank"> http://www.amazon.com/Music-Theory-Guit … ything-Wan ted/dp/063406651X/sr=11-1/qid=1165686317/ref=sr_11_1/102-096 1200-3158529</a>


The Art of Contemporary Travis Picking by Mark Hanson  $13.57


<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Art-Contemporary-Travis-Picking-Fingerpicking/dp/0936799005/sr=1-1/qid=1165686362/ref=sr_1_1/102-0961200-3158529?ie=UTF8&s=books" target="_blank"> http://www.amazon.com/Art-Contemporary- … ing-Finger picking/dp/0936799005/sr=1-1/qid=1165686362/ref=sr_1_1/102-0 961200-3158529?ie=UTF8&s=books</a>


The Art of Solo Fingerpicking, How To Play Alternating-Bass Fingerstyle Guitar Solos by Mark Hanson  $13.57


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Flatpicking Guitar Essentials, Folk and Bluegrass, from Acoustic Guitar Magazine's Private Lessons series  $14.56


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The Flatpicker's Guide by Dan Crary  $19.95


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<b>"...do I search google for chords or scales?"</b>


If you need to learn a chord in a hurry, look at chord charts.  But ideally, learn scales and build them yourself as needed.  Then you'll know WHY they are what they are.  All music starts with scales.


<b>"...what about the guitar, yahama or fender? or something else."</b>


Neither.  Look at the Seagull lineup for inexpensive, Guild GAD-series for medium, and Larrivee for high end.


<b>"...acustic or electric??"</b>


Acoustic is my choice for beginners, but you can start on electric, I did.  It depends on your own preferences and the type of music you want to play.  Or you could go acoustic-electric.  But if you do that, go with a true acoustic amp, not an electric guitar amp.


Anything else? LOL!


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And chord charts?  Actually, chords are constructed from scales.  Get some scale charts.  In the end, there really isn't anything BUT scales.  Learn your scales and along the way, you'll figure out things like how to construct chords.


As for chords, I'd have to debate you on a "B" chord being a jazz chord.  You should probably learn it.  And what the heck, learn all the derivatives, variations, and inversions while you're at it.  And learn the "B" scales, too.  And when you're done, work on A, C, D, E, F, and G, too.

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'Zactly.  Learn scales, and you already have the foundation for everything else.


The notion that B is a "jazz chord" is an odd one.   B is the V of E major, so if you play your guitar in E (and you do) you're going to play B a lot.


I've been picking along with the radio lately, and I've noticed that a huge number of current pop songs are also in the key of B.


Learn all the major scales, and everything else will fall in place.

Someday we'll win this thing...

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And chord charts?  Actually, chords are constructed from scales.  Get some scale charts.  In the end, there really isn't anything BUT scales.  Learn your scales and along the way, you'll figure out things like how to construct chords.


As for chords, I'd have to debate you on a "B" chord being a jazz chord.  You should probably learn it.  And what the heck, learn all the derivatives, variations, and inversions while you're at it.  And learn the "B" scales, too.  And when you're done, work on A, C, D, E, F, and G, too.

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'Zactly.  Learn scales, and you already have the foundation for everything else.


The notion that B is a "jazz chord" is an odd one.   B is the V of E major, so if you play your guitar in E (and you do) you're going to play B a lot.


I've been picking along with the radio lately, and I've noticed that a huge number of current pop songs are also in the key of B.


Learn all the major scales, and everything else will fall in place.

Someday we'll win this thing...

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Good stuff!

I was looking through my cd collection and online all over and i couldn't find any of your albums, or singles or even a mention on anyone eleses. Most people don't have to tell anyone that they are a professional. EGO...

never pick up a guitar without it!

"Nobody paints by ear so why would I play guitar by sight?" hmm

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Here's an amusing bit of follow-up!


Originally posted by bigdjindustriez:


<b>"When choosing your strings, I reccomend Elxir strings, thats all I use and ever will use. They are coated with some special coating that makes them last for years and years. I have had a set on my guitar for 3 years and they still sound like brand new, with awesome tone and sound quality. They will run you about 38 dollars, which is really worth it, because if you had to buy a regular set of strings every 2 months for 3 years, it would cost you quite a bit at around 10 dollars per pack. If you can't afford these then go with Martin phosphor bronze strings. And for electric go with Fender strings."</b>


<b>"Elixir coated strings made by Martin are the most used strings today by all musicians, and if you haven't tried them, you don't know what they are like...they are not like other coated strings. D'addario are the cheapest crap you can buy, and are even lower quality than factory strings."</b>


Ahem.  According to my sources, Elixir has nothing to do with Martin, and gets their strings from D'Addario prior to applying their proprietary coating.  Thought you might like to know that, bigdjindustriez.


Guess you won't be recommending Elixirs anymore, eh?


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yea I will be reccomding elixir forever, I have been on the websites of about 40 bands today and in the top corner they all say "this band(whatever the name is) uses Elixir Strings" So you obviously don't know what you are talking about. if you want to use stupid d'addario go right ahead, thats you problem.  D'addario has nothing to do with Martin, and martin does make elixir strings, as it says right on the package "made by cf martin co." so get a life. thanks

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Play the strings that suite you but if you are going to be recommending the product learn how to spell recommending. You mentioned that you come from a family of great instumentalist and you say that your uncle is good, ask him how often he changes his strings. To suggest to someone to get a life what have you done with yours. Opionions are like a**holes everyone has one and some are one.


Bootlegger.

Bootlegger guitars.

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<b>"yea I will be reccomding elixir forever, I have been on the websites of about 40 bands today and in the top corner they all say "this band(whatever the name is) uses Elixir Strings" So you obviously don't know what you are talking about. if you want to use stupid d'addario go right ahead, thats you problem. D'addario has nothing to do with Martin, and martin does make elixir strings, as it says right on the package "made by cf martin co." so get a life. thanks "</b>

Get a life?  LOL!  Ow, I'm mortally wounded!  Let's see, I've been to every continent except Antarctica, and lived for years in a number of other countries.  I retired forever when I was thirty-one.  Jeez, I never realized I needed a life!  Must have been too busy.

Now, getting back to Elixir strings, you might want to notify C.F. Martin & Company that W.L. Gore & Associates is infringing on their trademark if you're right.  This is right off the Elixir website:

<i>"Elixir® Strings are manufactured by W.L. Gore & Associates, the company widely known for such innovations as GORE-TEX® fabrics."</i>

Here's the link:

<a href="http://www.elixirstrings.com/whatsnew/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.elixirstrings.com/whatsnew/index.html</a>

You might find these discussions interesting as well:

<a href="http://jdbluesville.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7136&sid=125af417532af8d6633be740599bd138" target="_blank"> http://jdbluesville.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7136&sid=1 25af417532af8d6633be740599bd138</a>

<a href="http://p200.ezboard.com/What-do-you-think-of-Coated-Strings-Elixirs/facousticfingerstyleguitarfrm2.showMessage?topicID=5.topic" target="_blank"> http://p200.ezboard.com/What-do-you-think-of-Coated-Strings- Elixirs/facousticfingerstyleguitarfrm2.showMessage?topicID=5 .topic</a>

<b>"So you obviously don't know what you are talking about."</b>

I don't, eh?  LOL!  Yeah, OK, whatever you say.

<b>"if you want to use stupid d'addario go right ahead, thats you problem."</b>

Uh oh!  Looks like it's <i>your</i> problem too!  Enjoy those D'Addarios!  But really, being a longtime D'Addario user myself, three years is just waaay too long.  Three weeks is more like it.  You need to change your D'Addarios, bud!  Even if they are coated by W.L. Gore & Associates, LOL!

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I just happen to buy Elixir strings today, and after reading this post, I looked on the package, and my box reads " Product by W L Gore " in Elkton Md. Most likely, the string Mfg's have thier own strings, and have them coated using WL Gore's product. My box does not reference Martin or any other name, but that does not mean that they do not use them, just does not say who's strings are being used.


I assume you are young with your firm stubborn stance on your inflexible opinions, ( Wait a second, sounds like me ) .. But seriously, if you read Oubaas reply to you, he was just giving his opinion to you, just happened to disagree with certain things , based on his experiences... just like you gave your thoughts, based on your experiences..  Now, I bought Elixir because I just like the way they feel and sound, but I also like and plan on buying a non coated brand, maybe D' Addarios for my next string change, which will be between 3 weeks and 3 years  <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy">


Jerry

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I got me a brand new set of Dean Markley ball end nylon strings right here in front of me.  I can't wait for the D'Addario's to wear out so I can replace them.    <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_rolleyes.gif" border=0 alt="Rolling Eyes">

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<b>"I got me a brand new set of Dean Markley ball end nylon strings right here in front of me. I can't wait for the D'Addario's to wear out so I can replace them."</b>


Let us know how you like them by comparison, Jerome.


I've been thinking of trying some of Dean Markley's VintageBronze Acoustics.  I've heard good things about them.


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you won't have to wait long for those to wear out! they are worn out the second you open the package.

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Ok I Just found out that Elixir was bought out by W.L. Gore after speaking to a Martin representative.  So the set I have was made by Martin.  And NOWHERE on the Elixir site is there even a MENTION of d'addario.  So you can pull your head out of your ass and stop making things up that you think you saw in your mind.  I Don't care if you have been playing the guitar for 6 million years, that doesn't mean you are doing it right...the sound hole is on the front BUD!  Also Yamaha uses one of the thinnest finishes used today, looks like that heavy finish is on your brain eh!  Get your facts straight before you go against me.

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