Topic: The F chord again

I have been playing for around 8 months now and am still haviing trouble with Barre chords, I can form the chord OK, but when it comes to changing chords whilst playing I can either change with no interuption of strumming but a duff chord or I can just miss a strum or two and get a clean chord - which is the best way to go? should I practice quick change or clean chord?

Re: The F chord again

hello Harry. I'm no expert but i think the clean chord first.I'm teaching myself and found getting the barre down first and the changing  will fall in place.This is just my experience.


...Badeye.

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Re: The F chord again

Barrechords is every newcormers worst nightmare, but I'll tell you have I've learned it.

PRACTICE, PRACTICE and PRACTICE.

When I started to play barrechords myself, I figured out, it was easier to plan an B, Bm, F# and so on, than an F. So what I think would be a good thing to do, if you're planning to learn barre chords, is to replace the C, G and D in the songs you usually play with barre chords, so you get the feeling of a barre. It will make it easier to hold the barre and make you learn the F.


I agree with badeye, start by learning the clean chords and the changing will come easy soon.



Bye

Re: The F chord again

Harry,


You can still play and F chord without barring.  Try the following:


Index Finger:    1st&2nd strings   1st fret

Middle Finger:   3rd string        2nd fret

Ring Finger:     4th string        3rd fret

Pinky Finger:    5th string        3rd fret (this is optional)


The trick here is not to play the 6th string.  You can also play the first 4 strings to get a pretty decent sound.  Once you're more comfortable holding the F this way, try to move to the barre version. 


Like JP said, practice, practice, practice.


Kahuna



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I have been playing for around 8 months now and am still haviing trouble with Barre chords, I can form the chord OK, but when it comes to changing chords whilst playing I can either change with no interuption of strumming but a duff chord or I can just miss a strum or two and get a clean chord - which is the best way to go? should I practice quick change or clean chord?
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Re: The F chord again

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Harry,


You can still play and F chord without barring.  Try the following:


Index Finger:    1st&2nd strings   1st fret

Middle Finger:   3rd string        2nd fret

Ring Finger:     4th string        3rd fret

Pinky Finger:    5th string        3rd fret (this is optional)


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I've always found this form to be harder to play than a flat barre, unless you are transitioning in from an open C.

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Re: The F chord again

learn the notes on the 6th string

e f f# g g# A A# b C C# D d# E


hold your f  bar position and move up and down the neck your barr finger will point to the chord that you are playing try

c f g  first so nothing changes but your position on the neck

have fun

randy

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Re: The F chord again

<b></b><i></i><font color="crimson"></font><font size="4"></font>  What has worked best for me is to start slowly and practice making clean chords and notes...just work at a comfortable pace and get your finger memory down...the speed will come later. Also be sure to warm up before doing chords or runs that really stretch or stress your hands and fingers...that will help prevent soreness and even injuries. You can also do strengh exercises for your hands by squeezing a tennis ball. A full bar chord is very useful but if you are playing long sets they can wear you out. Once you learn a few basic bar shapes you will discover how useful they are as movable chords up and down the neck. But again start slowly and get a clean sound...the strengh and speed will follow with practice...

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Re: The F chord again

i also say you should do the clean chords first. it sounds like you dont know barre chords well enough if you cant change so(im sorry to say this(i really am)) practise them more.


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btw. F and Bb are particullaly difficult bar chords to play because they are at the very bottom. practice on the 2-5 frets (or maybe a bit higher) till you know the positions perfectly then do Fs and higher up chords.

Re: The F chord again

Hi Harry!

Follow the tips of Jp3300 (play barre on your standard songs, even if you dont need to).

Randy tiped you about the way to find the barre chords on the 6:th string. I have made a word document with a chord table and some explanations to what Randy said. Check this thread:


<a href="http://www.chordie.com/forum/index.php?t=tree&goto=7446&S=6f09986dc0646fe6aa50e9416cab39e2#msg_7446" target="_blank"> http://www.chordie.com/forum/index.php? … =7446& amp;S=6f09986dc0646fe6aa50e9416cab39e2#msg_7446</a>


I also recomend you NOT to cheat and take the easy way out on the barre chords (simple F's and stuff). I did and had to work hard to get rid of the cheats (that stuck to my brain) now when I'm closer to playing barres decent.


I've been playing since christmas (about 0,5 - 1 hour/day) and I see the light in the end of the barre tunnel  <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy"> it will work...


One thing I have done to get some self confidence is to train, train, train on my metal string acoustic to get the strength, and then play on my electric with accoustic settings on the amp. On the electric i'm very close to getting the barre right (in tempo). I also changed to more expensive strings on my accoustic, and they made it considerably easier to fret the barre chords.

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Re: The F chord again

I have to admit to being a bit barre chord shy. So I decided it's time to face the fear.

A fantastic song for practicing barres and building up strength is "Whistle for the Choir" by The Fratellis.

It's all E,G,G#m,F#m,B.

Still not perfect but this song will sort me out in time.

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Re: The F chord again

i agree. whistle for the choir was the first song i learnt with barre chords. its a bit repetitive once you can play it well but it's a great one to start out on. the G#m,Gm,F#m is a great way to get you changing barre chords quicker.


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btw. if you have trouble moving from f#m to B while playing F#m put your 3rd finger behind you second on the D string, 4th fret so you only have to move your first and second finger

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Ain't She Sweet is another good one for learnning to work with barre chords It has E, F, B, F#, Ab, C# and A. It will help you to move more smoothly from one to the next and sounds good played really fast (Beatles Anthology 1) or slow (Beatles Anthology 2). Really you've gotten past the hardest part now it's just a matter of repitition and practice. You'll make it there! <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">

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