Thanksgiving! (Page 1 of 2)

Southpaw41L,

Your story made me bust out laughing. Also reminded me of many years ago.

A new neighbour invited us for drinks after mass one christmas morning.

Tradidition in my house always on Christmas Eve is to have all my Brothers.
This started many years ago when ,  i lived it seemed then so far away
out in the country.  Having no family of my own for some years, i remarked to
my Mam " I felt lonsome. My brothers started to visit, and to this day they still
visit Christmas eve, with there now adult children , wives  and girlfriends. So its always a full Joyous house  christmas eve which i love.
But Im usually tired on christmas Morning.
Any way back to christmas morning. I had 2 delicious Hennessy Brandies. Neat"
With being tired and so early they went straight to my head  toes and every other avenue of my being.
Well! i was singing and a bopping with anyone who'd bop, and had  tinsel
like confetti decorating my person. I was in great form.
Arrived home still singing and bopping. Took the bird from the oven " The turkey Southpaw! Not this Bird.

  Yea  you guessed. The dish slipped and the turkey made the loveliest
Waltz movements around my kitchen floor, and {Mise} slipping and sliding around after it! Tinsel and all. Talk about jingle Bell Rock! This was more like "The Turkey Trot"   I  now looked like someone had pulled me by the ankles backward through  a farmers hedge... Well you should see those photos. Hilarious! me in my finery covered in tinsel, turkey fat and with the tinsel everywhere, as colourful as an explosion in a Lego Factory.
Both Birds were cleaned up. One was eaten! the other retired to bed.
Moral of the story? never ever drink before serving Christmas dinner.
never ever have since that episode many years ago.

Now you and yours have a wonderful "Thanksgiving Day".

AAAAAAAAAAh No! Southpaw was that them old legs i heard collapsing again?
Thanks for the Cranberry. Yummy!

Old Doll.

This has got to my all time favourite analogy!!!! You have a way with words, special way indeed. Lego factory.....Huhuuuuurrrrlllllllgrrrrrrggggghhhhhhhhh ha ha ha ha( that's supposed to emulate a gut busting laugh)

Great bird story too!!!

No, it's not a religious holliday, it's a commemorative one.

When our puritan forefathers showed up on North American shores, they dang near starved to death.  Had the local Native Americans not shared the local cuisine with them, they likely would have.   Every year, we commemorate this through our Thanksgiving holiday.

It's my favorite holiday. 

Some more from the Wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksgiving

Forgive me if i am wrong here!

But i always thought it was to do with the Mayflower Ship Arrival and the pilgrim Fathers? Some one fill me in please!

Old Doll.

Ps.. No need to now! i just found my National Geo, May 2007, all the info i need there.
I have been to this area. Uyk the history is wonderful to read.. !5,000
Indians lived on this land. They did feed the settlers. and were so good to them. The settlers in return gave them all kinds of diseases, Including the
Flu and The Pox"" IS THAT THAT CONCERNED PARENT SNAPPING AT MY HEELS
AGAIN? Mr/Mrs this is History here.!
Anyway UYK, When the Brits arrived as the do{ no offence its history}
they marked off all the land { why am i not surprised}. The Indians grew
corn - squash and nitrogen replenishing beans together. this practise
preserved the lands fertility, kept the soil moist and pests at bay.
How very clever these people were. But the  english bringing all the own
S##t changed all that forever and almost wiped the land from under the indians feet.
Now you would love this history! So read a little more on it. Great Stuff.

I bought 2 big fresh Corn on the Cob for my din dins the other day, Lovely
warm irish creamery butter dripping off them,  Ah better then an orgasm they were. no work!   Just  Beautiful. 
I think i was born on the wrong side of the pond. Any one want to claim me as there own  Stateside .. Half my family are in the Boston Area having a ball.
at the moment " lucky Gits... If any of you lot are reading this." DO NOT FORGET MY YANKEE CANDLES!
peacans
pistashios
maple syrup.
and those huge big bottles of bacardi.. Ill supply the ice  coke and lime

Thank you
Big Sis.

Slán

Old Doll.

thanks Jerome and Old doll ( ma)

I dont think I asked when i was in america what it was all about, and if I did I forgotten.

I can now see why people celebrate it but I still see it as a no popint festival. But then I think that of christmas,easter,anniversaries,birthdays,weddings, halloween,guy fawks night  and anything else that is commercialised.

Only thing I like celebrating is New year! best party of the year starting at about 10:30pm on hogmanay and ending about 6 - 8 am on new years day or whenever ye drop.

So, thanksgiving is really to the native americans? good!!!
I read a lot, years ago about how "white man" invaded their land. not only the british but other countries.
and to think that the UK and american governments dictate to other countries what they can and cannot do today after everything they have done in the past is just so wrong, but that is getting into a political debate then,lol

anyway
I now hope any of you that celebrate thanksgiving day had a good time ( now I know a bit more about what it is about)

another thing I hope to be celebrating is SCOTLAND beating ITALY in football today 5pm GMT
if we win we are thru. I will be leaving soon for a 4 hour warm up party before the game starts, so I probably will be in no fit state later tonight to press the button to turn on the computer tonight in about 12 hours time when i get back.

Ken

Amongst all the holiday hoopla (Thanksgiving, Winter Solstice, Festivus, Kwanzaa, Hanukkah, Christmas, New Years, Epiphany, Elvis Presley's Birthday, etc.) people seem to gloss over the fact that the Puritans (Pilgrims) were a truly wacky cult of religious zealots.

Their former neighbors in Britain were not at all sad to see them depart for distant lands.  The Puritans were a dour and dismal fundamentalist sect who espoused radical views.  They wanted to force their religious and moral world view onto society and they exhibited no tolerance for other perspectives. 

Popular culture conveniently forgets that the Puritans were 'way out there' religiously and politically.  They may have indeed suffered persecution back in Britain - but they brought it upon themselves by being a cult of fundamentalist wackos.

Thanksgiving is a great holiday and a wonderful time to gather with kith and kin to share a meal.    However, if you had Puritans (Pilgrims) as relatives, you probably would hope they wouldn't come over to your house because they would really throw a wet blanket on all the fun!

First off let me say that I DO NOT in any way agree with the radical views of the puritans, but were they really any more extreme than the catholic churches slaughtering thousands and thousands of people who refused to convert, burning churches they'd found because it proved they weren't the first church? Any more radical than the church of england burning people at the stake for trying to translate the Bible into English? Than the slaughter of Ana Baptist (which was what spurred THIER flight to Holland and later America)?
  There were a lot of extreme religious acts ocurring at this time in history. None of them were right, but lets dont pick and choose. Some people who came to America came so they could come and be thier own little cult without the government getting in the way, but a very good number did come for true religious freedom, and the chance to make a better life for themselves and thier children out from under a society that told them what class they were, and didn't allow them to better themselves. And a good number did come to escape religious persecution.
  What the puritans did was wrong, but there were people in that first group of immigrants to America who worked and sacrificed for our freedom, and I think thats what we ought to remember on thanksgiving: To be thankful for the freedom so many people worked and fought and died for.

(That being said, I don't have anything against England, or catholics, or anglicans, or anybody else. Nobody can help what thier ancestors did, all we can do is be what we want to be today.)

  Another thing, while I understand that what we did to many of the indians was wrong, i don't like it when people just call it the 'white man'.  This ties into one of my political soapboxes, but I'll try not to stay there too long. When you say 'the white man', you tie in every single white skinned person who's ever lived, and then you blame a lot of individuals for something they couldn't have done because they weren't alive, and probably wouldn't have done if they had been. Political decisions made by a few corrupt leaders shouldn't condemn an entire race of people, or even the soldiers who probly didn't have a whole lot of say in the matter either way.
I'm not justifying anything my ancestors did to these people, I don't think it was right, but I can't help what they did. When somebody says the 'white man' thats like accusing me for something I wouldn't do, and don't even believe in. I do agree that native americans should have some kind of repayment for what was done to them, and they should definitely have equal rights, but the fact of the matter is there is not one single person in America today who was alive during these events. I wasn't alive to kill a native american, and my uncle chuck (who was adopted) who gets a check for having enough cherokee blood wasn't alive to have to fight for his land. So why should I be accused and punished for something I didn't do, and why should he get a check and free dental for sitting on his butt and smoking pot all day???
  I think that any person born in America should have equal rights, , and be allowed to work to better themselves the same as anybody else, regardless of race or religion. I think equality is about everybody beginning thier own life as a citizen with a blank slate, an oppurtunity to work as hard as you like and go as far as you want to go, without having to repay society for the sins of somebody long gone. We have to start looking at people as INDIVIDUALS. As long as we keep validating a mind set of lumping evrybody in one race into a group, then how can we find true racial equality in America? To keep race from being an issue, we have to eliminate race as a factor all together, FOR GAIN OR LOSS, and let everybody make thier own name by thier own actions that they do, not what thier grandpa did, not what thier father did, not what thier ancestors did.
   And now Ive gone on and on for way too long lol Im not mad at anybody I just get on these kicks sometimes, you'll have to excuse me. I'm also not disagreeing with any comments already made, James and Acapo are exactly right, I'm just 'throwing in my two cents' so to speak.

All You Need is Love

Golly last_rebel - this discussion seems to have pushed a button!

I am not anti-anybody either - history is full of brutal acts perpetrated by greedy and zealous people committed to religious and political ideologies.  The idealist in me wants to believe that our species will eventually grow out of this penchant for bloodshed - but the realist in me understands that there are always individuals willing to commit atrocious acts in the name of some 'higher calling'.

But while we are on the subject, the tribal nations that populated the Americas were not a bunch of free-love hippies living on one big commune and grooving on cosmic energy.  They also had violent conflicts and wars amongst themselves over territory and resources.  Tribal boundaries were constantly shifting as a group's power waxed and waned.  War and conquest were not new to these indigenous peoples - the Europeans merely had more lethal technology at their disposal.

Last Rebel, I always say that history repeats herself. If you start thinking about religion, you get lost. Most wars were and still are about religion. See Kosovo and Serbia, on an evening they play card games, and one day later, they kill their friends. If you see the Muslims (extremists) they are doing the same as the Christians did 400 years ago.
This is really scary, fighting for GOD, who is called ALLAH too. Jesus is a prophet, and a lot of what's written in the Koran, is very similar to the Holy Bible. A war, I think I will never understand.
It is very convenient for leaders to send soldiers, I would love to see a cage fight between leaders, no rules, and the fight ending when one of them is dead.

It has become very convenient to blame religion for all of the world's problems. Is it possible that religion has been USED by unscrupulous and corrupt leaders to mobilise the masses into serving said leader's own personal agenda; whether it be for global domination, ethnic cleansing, oil, gold, or the advance of some empire.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that religion that is the problem, it's  the darkness of human nature that is at the very heart of it.

In ANY situation you only need to do one simple thing to get people to start thinking in terms of THEM and US. Very simply, just split them into two groups. Human nature does the rest.

and apart from religion which was part of all wars in the past,
now it is oil!
We know it will run out so the big bad bullies( america and UK and some more nato) step in and say what is what in another country, as they always have done and always will.

They will use every cover up they can and make people believe just to go invade.

you could write a lot of songs about this.

Ken