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#1 2013-09-03 20:01:25

earljames
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Transposing Chord Progression

Hi Folks, I'm interested in transposing the intro chords to Heartache Tonight. The sheet music I have (concert G)  shows the chords as Bb F, C C, Gb/F# slide to G. I'm wondering how one gets a Bb out of G concert. I want to transpose to D (sax related) so I need to know how Bb got in the mix with a G concert key. Perhaps then I can transpose the rest of the intro chords.

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#2 2013-09-03 20:06:53

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Re: Transposing Chord Progression

Hi earl and welcome too chordie,I do not have an answer for you but maybe some of our other members may be able too help you.


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#3 2013-09-03 20:48:48

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Re: Transposing Chord Progression

It's a blues scale thing. Here's the classical music theory version of the explanation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borrowed_chord

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#4 2013-09-03 20:52:35

earljames
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Re: Transposing Chord Progression

Thanks for laying out the welcome mat and I do hope other forum members can offer an answer or a suggestion. As you probably know Gb (F#) doesn't fit the concert G key either. On the other hand if they did start the intro in Bb concert then the Gb chord doesn't fit this key either. bemused to say the least.

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#5 2013-09-03 21:32:53

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Re: Transposing Chord Progression

Yes it does. F# is the natural 7th scale degree of G major. It is also the 3rd chord degree of D, which is G's 5 chord. So lots of times you'll see a song in G that looks like this:

G    D/F#    Em

or something like that.

In this case though the f# isn't a chord. Just play the F# note and slide up to G. This song has more of a mixolydian feel which is why that F natural works in the intro.

Finally, they aren't "starting the song" in Bb. The song is in G. They are just starting it on a Bb chord. Big difference. smile

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#6 2013-09-04 01:51:04

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Re: Transposing Chord Progression

don't know why they put a Gb/f# in the key of G either because Gb is F# must be a typo and G is a sharp key (F#) to begin with it and as far as the Bb I think it should be called A# as far as chords are concerned in notation I can understand a # in G but not a b I would think as I understand it when playing in keys that have sharps there are no flats only naturals


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#7 2013-09-04 21:21:04

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Re: Transposing Chord Progression

It's actually a Bb in this case because you're playing the chord of G's flatted third.

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#8 2013-09-05 00:35:08

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Re: Transposing Chord Progression

BGD I do understand the Bb is just a outside chord not included in the progression so you could use just about any chord lol thanks for the explanation smile


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#9 2013-09-05 17:10:59

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Re: Transposing Chord Progression

What I meant is that it is properly written as a Bb, not an A# even though G is a sharp key.

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#10 2013-09-05 18:47:04

earljames
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Re: Transposing Chord Progression

Thank you all for your input. The G Blues Scale is certainly what makes it correct. The chords that the Eagles used (to which I alluded in the first post) now have to be converted to C so I'm suggesting they would be Eb: --- :  F  :  F :  B  :  C . Maybe one of you theorists would be kind of enough to fill in the second chord for me or edit where I have gone astray. I'm thinking Bb, the seventh scale tone in the C Blues Scale. If that reasoning is correct I'll have the proper foundation for converting to the D key (which is what I need for a Bb instrument)

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#11 2013-09-05 19:03:42

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Re: Transposing Chord Progression

Yeah that's right. b7.

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