Topic: Using Carnauba (Car) Wax To Polish.......

....... your guitar? Have you ever done it? Is there a "trick" to doing it correctly?

A couple of years ago, I had my Rogue Beatle Bass changed from round to flat wound strings and, as part of the service, the luthier polished the finish with carnauba wax  (I knew right away it was for cars because of the picture on the container and from the way my  pulse began to race as I watched him squirt the stuff on my "baby".

"You, uh.....you uh, uh...... er.... um"

Finally he looked up, winked and said, "Relax, Bill. I know I'm using car wax."

Which I guess is luthier-speak for, "I know what I'm doing, so why don't you just go look at all the pretty guitars and drums, my friend and let me do what you're paying me for?"

So that's what I did and because I did, I missed  some of the more salient points of polishing a guitar with carnauba wax.

Can anyone help me with this? Maybe some of y'all might use it on your pate? I just really don't want to  mess up my pretty bass.

Thanks, Mates!

Bill

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Re: Using Carnauba (Car) Wax To Polish.......

Bill as long as the finish is not a natural finish, car wax is very good. guitars have enamels or urethane,  so the car wax is great and last longer, shines brighter.  This is a picture of my TAK after using my detailing one step (light correction, polish and sealant- A polymer wax directive) Product.  sorry its so big that's how it is saved on FB. but you really see how great the auto line can be.  At home I suggest a nice product like Surf City Garage hand mixed liquid caranuba wax,   (its easier to work with  than paste wax.  just tape off your wood.  I tape the bridge off flat around it and then lemon oil it, then put the tape on its knife edge around the bridge and the frets and use my car stuff.  I have a 3" buffer  but by hand with a nice microfiber applicator and nice towels to remove will be great also.
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Re: Using Carnauba (Car) Wax To Polish.......

Carnuba is one of the natural waxes that used to be found in good ol' Johnsons paste Wax (for those of you that used to do a lot of woodworking).... also popular for hardwood flooring (you can slide a mile in your socks!!).  Anyway I digress, one of the more common "hard Waxes" in a lot of high grade auto waxes as well.  But it should be noted that many car products also contain ultra fine polishing abrasives to remove surface scratches which might not be a good thing for those really thin "French Polish" guitar coatings.  But if you know that there is plenty of film thickness to wear away at (as modern urethanes are), I can see no problem either and am in total agreement with the Metalizer.  I used to get some 100% Carnuba liquid from my Pro Car Care Distributor, that was outstanding.  But it did have a fair amount of solvent to make it thin and easy to apply.  Also added a little bit of a yellow color to the finish, but the trick with hard waxes is thin coats and start buffing before it has a chance to fully dry, or it can be a lot of work to achieve a smooth glass-like finish.    Any streaking will leave a texture like fingerprints which takes a buffer or much hand polishing to smooth out.  Durable and long lasting, unless you are in the habit of running your guitar through machine car washes, or leave it out in the hot Arizona sun, or maybe strap it to your grille and run down the freeway at 65mph every day for six months.... then you might have to reapply more often than every couple of years. big_smile

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Re: Using Carnauba (Car) Wax To Polish.......

I usually use "Mr Sheen" every time I change my strings (around 6 months, but I think the current set are about 2 years old, 'cause I've been slack), but every now and then I'll use the PRS polish (on electrics, my acoustic is a matt finish):

http://www.mr-sheen.co.uk/products.php

https://www.amazon.com/PRS-PS-ACC-3130- … B004XLH3PW

Not sure if it's the same as wax, but the PRS stuff is pretty good (and usually add lemon oil on the fretboard, depending how dry it feels)

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Re: Using Carnauba (Car) Wax To Polish.......

Doug_Smith wrote:

But it should be noted that many car products also contain ultra fine polishing abrasives to remove surface scratches

This is where you HAVE TO READ THE  PRODUCT LABEL.  smile   What you are referring to is a "Cleaning Wax"  Pure Caranuba does not contain the silica's which provide the abrasives.  As I mentioned I use Sealants that are a combination of Natural waxes and Polymers.  A wax many don't know about is called Monton.  It's deep mined and has a higher resistance than caranuba.  One of my favorite products i s made this way. it is called POXY by HD car care (amazon sells it.)  and if you do have a bit of pick scratching  and what not , their product called SPEED cleans up the surface very nice.   If all you are doing is by hand, even with a thin french coat, you would have to really work the _____ out of it to do damage.  Most damage is due to improper use of a buffer.  The pictured guitar has a product called KNOCKOUT by Greenways  car care. it is a Polymer based sealant.  (As a note, Meguiars yellow wax is a real pain to remove, so stay away from it)

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Re: Using Carnauba (Car) Wax To Polish.......

Waxes in general can leave a bit of a film, but probably not enough to cause a deadening effect on tone. On an acoustic with no finish, it would dampen the resonance in a big way. I personally prefer Armour-All. It's much lighter / thinner, and also water-based so it can't damage any type of guitar finish. It's terrific stuff to speed up a finished neck also!

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Re: Using Carnauba (Car) Wax To Polish.......

Armor All contains Silicone wax, which is great for plastics and vinyl, but never put it on your motorcycle seat (!) or under hard braking you might just wind up sitting on the fuel cap.  Another in that family of spray on products is this stuff called Protect- All... if you can find it, contains Carnuba and Monton waxes and an additional UV Inhibitor (without polishing abrasives).  Usually available from RV and Marine supply stores.  Pump spray, aerosol can, and in bottles, easy to apply and easy to buff by hand with long lasting protection for almost any surface including wood, leather, fiberglass, rubber, chrome, vinyl and paint.  I've used that as well on guitars with good results and almost as easy as that old favorite (gasp!!) Pledge.  Please don't laugh (I did), when it was recommended by a guitar salesperson at a "big box" retailer..... it's better than nothing. big_smile

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Re: Using Carnauba (Car) Wax To Polish.......

Doug_Smith wrote:

Armor All contains Silicone wax, which is great for plastics and vinyl, but never put it on your motorcycle seat (!) or under hard braking you might just wind up sitting on the fuel cap.  Another in that family of spray on products is this stuff called Protect- All... if you can find it, contains Carnuba and Monton waxes and an additional UV Inhibitor (without polishing abrasives).  Usually available from RV and Marine supply stores.  Pump spray, aerosol can, and in bottles, easy to apply and easy to buff by hand with long lasting protection for almost any surface including wood, leather, fiberglass, rubber, chrome, vinyl and paint.  I've used that as well on guitars with good results and almost as easy as that old favorite (gasp!!) Pledge.  Please don't laugh (I did), when it was recommended by a guitar salesperson at a "big box" retailer..... it's better than nothing. big_smile

Doug you just said the 2 most dirty words a detailer has to hear.  Armor All .   Please cease and desist from any usage of that vile substance.  No matter what is listed in it, it will degrade all surfaces its put on, and it will crack  them over time.   it is a royal pain in the ( ! ) to remove and clean off to properly condition leather and  vinyl.   just cause its shiny dont make it good.

The Pledge is not a bad suggestion for guitars, just don't get it on the fret board.  You can use Old English,  its lemon and mineral oil.  both of which are fine for fret boards.

Sorry but the detailer in me could not hold back any longer.

Mal - Well, lady, I must say, you're my kinda stupid.
Mal - Jayne, your mouth is talking. You might wanna look to that
Kaylee - No power in the verse can stop me. BOOK-  you're going to burn in a very special level of hell. A level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the theatre.

Re: Using Carnauba (Car) Wax To Polish.......

I use Car Wax on one of my guitars regularly. Being an old car guy, my go to products are typically from Meguiars.

Of course, that guitar is my CA - completely made out of Carbon Fiber.

I bet beamer could put a real nice polish on that one - next time he makes it to chordiestock!

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Re: Using Carnauba (Car) Wax To Polish.......

Beamer Buddy !!  I did not utter those words in way of recommendation..... I know exactly what you mean.  I had a recall on some Motorhomes with bad film graphics that we needed to replace with paint, and an owner who had mopped Armor-All over the entire coach annually (so his tapes wouldn't fade).  You can guess the rest I'm sure..... everything had to be stripped of all graphics, sanded, solvent washed (several times), soap and steam cleaned, then fully sealed and reprimed.  There wasn't enough fish-eye-eliminator to get anything but HP100 to stick to the prepped surface, then all the rest could be redone.  The replacement film graphics cost about $125 plus labor & prep...... The full repaint almost $30K !!!

Lesson Learned.  big_smile

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Re: Using Carnauba (Car) Wax To Polish.......

topdown wrote:

I use Car Wax on one of my guitars regularly. Being an old car guy, my go to products are typically from Meguiars.

Of course, that guitar is my CA - completely made out of Carbon Fiber.

I bet beamer could put a real nice polish on that one - next time he makes it to chordiestock!

would love to, and when I do make it I am bringing  My polisher  since now I have enough backups that i dont have to worry about a broken one.

Mal - Well, lady, I must say, you're my kinda stupid.
Mal - Jayne, your mouth is talking. You might wanna look to that
Kaylee - No power in the verse can stop me. BOOK-  you're going to burn in a very special level of hell. A level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the theatre.

Re: Using Carnauba (Car) Wax To Polish.......

Doug_Smith wrote:

Beamer Buddy !!  I did not utter those words in way of recommendation..... I know exactly what you mean.  I had a recall on some Motorhomes with bad film graphics that we needed to replace with paint, and an owner who had mopped Armor-All over the entire coach annually (so his tapes wouldn't fade).  You can guess the rest I'm sure..... everything had to be stripped of all graphics, sanded, solvent washed (several times), soap and steam cleaned, then fully sealed and reprimed.  There wasn't enough fish-eye-eliminator to get anything but HP100 to stick to the prepped surface, then all the rest could be redone.  The replacement film graphics cost about $125 plus labor & prep...... The full repaint almost $30K !!!

Lesson Learned.  big_smile

I doubt he learned. probably blamed the decal company and bad mouthed you.  Some ppl just dont want to listen to truth OR that the "back in the day" method has taken a light year leap of technique and products.  smile

Mal - Well, lady, I must say, you're my kinda stupid.
Mal - Jayne, your mouth is talking. You might wanna look to that
Kaylee - No power in the verse can stop me. BOOK-  you're going to burn in a very special level of hell. A level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the theatre.