Topic: chicken or egg?

i've never been a rolling stones fan but just lately i've heard "satisfaction" quite a lot. then i heard "oh pretty woman" and "satisfaction" back to back on a good sound system and realised the drum pattern is the same! so as release times in the US and UK were (and are) sometimes weeks apart which came out first? to be honest i cant be bothered to look it up, i wonder if one or the other was copying?

Ask not what Chordie can do for you, but what you can do for Chordie.

2 (edited by TIGLJK 2018-01-08 22:48:05)

Re: chicken or egg?

August 1964 on Monument Records    Pretty Woman   - Roy Orbison
Satisfaction - Rolling stones  May 27  1965


My "professionally trained"  ear doesn't think they are that much alike ?  smile smile

That's how much I know about music   LOL !!

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Re: chicken or egg?

hi Jim.

no it's not the whole song, just the drum pattern. which doesn't go to say that my hearing is right?

should i be ashamed to say that i listen more to the production of a song now rather than the words or the singer? my guilty pleasure would be to sit in on the recording sessions for some of my favourite LPs; Sgt Peppers, Abbey Road, Roots to Branches (jethro tull)  close to the edge (yes) and so on, to see how they put their songs together and how they mixed the songs down. it would also be good to be with other musicians, like i used to in the 70's, writing and arranging our songs....ahhh the good old days

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Re: chicken or egg?

A lot of drum patterns are the same for a lot of songs:

http://learndrumsforfree.com/sites/default/files/free/394/basic%20rock%20beat%201.PNG

(bass) (snare) (bass) (bass) (snare) with an open high hat doing 8th notes above it ...

I nabbed the pic from this site, which I then looked around and there's some interesting stuff there ...

Cheers

Richard

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Re: chicken or egg?

Thanks Richard, very interesting. I do play live drums on all my recordings, along with keyboards, guitars and bass, all self taught. I'm not good at any but I love doing it and there's that great feeling if the recording turns out well.
I shall frequent that site when looking for a new drum pattern.

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Re: chicken or egg?

You're one ahead of me then!! I can't play drums for nuts ... smile

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Re: chicken or egg?

neophytte wrote:

You're one ahead of me then!! I can't play drums for nuts ... smile

Which nuts would they be then; a new Ozzy band or are they to be found in the trouser department?  lol

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8 (edited by Tenement Funster 2018-01-10 01:44:49)

Re: chicken or egg?

In the words of Hugh Cregg (aka Huey Lewis):

"It's still that same ol' back beat rhythm, which really, really drives them wild."

Re: chicken or egg?

Phill Williams wrote:
neophytte wrote:

You're one ahead of me then!! I can't play drums for nuts ... smile

Which nuts would they be then; a new Ozzy band or are they to be found in the trouser department?  lol

Probably of the "pea" variety ...

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Re: chicken or egg?

Tenement Funster wrote:

In the words of Hugh Cregg (aka Huey Lewis):

"It's still that same ol' back beat rhythm, which really, really drives them wild."

Amen to that!!!

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Re: chicken or egg?

Hi Phill
I know you like the Beatles here is a short fun clip with Ringo talking and showing how he does some of his well known drum patterns. I   hope you and other people enjoy it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vl9188EPdLI

Re: chicken or egg?

hey thanks for thinking of me Peatle. i have seen this one before, until i saw this i never realised that Ringo was a lefty....

if you dig deeper you can find Ringo's live band search all starr band, he gets some big names playing with him and doing some of their own stuff.

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13 (edited by Peatle Jville 2018-01-13 21:25:24)

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Cheers Phill thank you for putting me onto Ringo All Starr Band I enjoyed it. It filled my early Sunday morning real good.