6,776

(41 replies, posted in Chordie's Chat Corner)

Well, in addition to being a wannabe guitarist, I am also a wannabe whitewater paddler.  Whitewater depends upon geologic gradient.  In other words, it's in hill country.  I live in Virginia, and so that means the Blue Ridge Mountains.  The hillier the area, usually the less populated and more rural.  Farming isn't usually good in the rocky, hilly terrain, so that means a lot of whitewater paddling takes place in remote, wooded areas. 

One of my paddling T-shirts has the following message in large letter:
"Paddle faster!  I hear banjo music!"

- Zurf

6,777

(40 replies, posted in Chordie's Chat Corner)

Not yet.  There has been honest disagreement respectfully addressed, but not an argument (except in the sense the term is used in debate, in which case there have been several arguments put forth). 

- Zurf

6,778

(16 replies, posted in Acoustic)

I have not been impressed by Fender's acoustic guitars or their acoustic basses. 

- Zurf

6,779

(40 replies, posted in Chordie's Chat Corner)

Jerome, we have a disagreement.  I do not think that Scripture, the Old Testament and the New Testament are equal in nature to the Book of Mormon and the other books you listed.  While those contain some true things, I do not believe that they contain The Truth of the Matter, as I used that term above. 

A quick example...  The Book of Mormon conflicts with Revelations, so they cannot both be correct.  It is logically possible that they are both INcorrect, but it does not stand up to reason that they can say opposite things and both be correct.  There is an absolute truth.  Relativism is a good thing for how to treat people, i.e., you are worth as much as am I and neither of us is worth more than any other, but it is not a good thing when attempting to deduce truth.  If you accept that anything CAN be true, then nothing is.  But if you accept that there IS a truth, then the matter becomes one of seeking it out.  What makes the most sense?  What fits best with our observations and best meets the tests of logic and reason (bearing in mind that much of what some people observe is not reasonable). 

So, with a little application of classical logic, when you say that all these books are equal, what you are in effect saying is that they are all incorrect.  That none of them contain the Truth of the Matter.  To that assertion, I respectfully disagree. 

To your assertion that the truth of creation is written in Creation itself, I heartily agree.  It is by that measure that I have determined my choice of what faith to follow. 

To Old Doll, just a little story to show you that all paid professional holy men aren't what you observed (as you observed yourself with your current priest), another little story that demonstrates the best example of Christian love I have seen from the pulpit. 

I grew up in the seventies.  As a young man, I lived in an Appalachian valley in Pennsylvania.  It was rural, some industry, and extremely conservative (not in the political sense but in the daily living sense).  Parents still had their boys wearing crew cuts, etc.  In the town, there was a college.  The college kids did not look like the town kids.  Not by a long shot.  Anyway, I attended an old-school Methodist church.  Complete with pews with plaques saying which family donated them and those seats were "passed down" from generation to generation.  Everyone dressed for church, and the old ladies coated themselves in lilac & rose water until the sanctuary smelled sickeningly sweet.  The Sanctuary was on the second floor.  The first floor foyer was in the flood zone of the Susquehanna River, and so was also elevated up eight or ten steps.  The doors were enormous walnut and elaborately carved.  An impressive entrance.  To get to the sanctuary, one had to climb those stairs, go through the impressive entryway, and go up a flight of stairs that was twenty to twenty-five steps high.  Then, at the start of service doors were closed at the back of the sanctuary.  Again, impressively large carved walnut doors.  To enter after service had begun, one had to first climb to the second floor foyer and then open those forboding walnut doors.  Then come into the aisle and find a seat in a pew. 

One Sunday, the choir was singing.  In the old Methodist churches, the pastor always sang with the choir, and because he had a microphone in the pulpit he was always the loudest.  Well, the choir was singing, and the doors creaked open.  In walked a college kid.  Long hair.  Tye-die shirt.  Jeans with holes in the knees and walked off cuffs.  Clunky sandals.  He looked bad and smelled worse.  It took little imagination to determine how he had spent the preceding portion of the weekend.  But there he was.  If you can think of looking at a person and thinking, "Now there's someone who needs Jesus," this guy was a good example.  He walked up the aisle and saw no one make room for him.  He turned to leave.  And the pastor asked the choir to stop singing.  The congregation was wondering how the pastor was going to make an example of this young man - daring to interrupt church and not being properly dressed.  He made an example all right, but not as they expected.  He said, "Young man, if you can't find a seat, you're welcome to sit with my family in the front.  And if you haven't got any plans for lunch, we'd be honored if you'd join us at my home after the service."   You could have heard a pin drop.  That's the way it's done.  I've never forgotten that lesson, and doubt I ever will.   

- Big D

6,780

(40 replies, posted in Chordie's Chat Corner)

A comment on criteria.

I am speaking of generally accepted criteria to be considered Christian.  Those criteria are based on Scripture and more or less codified in the four Creeds.  Now, I am one who thinks that Scripture contains truth, but I do not think it contains the WHOLE truth, and I also think that while it contains only truth that the truth is not always immediately obvious.  As far as literal interpretations, personally I think that's a pretty silly way to go.  God admits IN SCRIPTURE to speaking in riddles, and Jesus frequently used parables and stories intended to have deeper and alternative meanings. 

Now, what happens if a church falls outside those criteria established in the canon of Scripture and contains beliefs contrary to the Creeds - Mormonism being a good example.  Well, in that case I don't think they are Christian.  It's a religion, and it may even be a Jesus-based religion, but for the word Christian to have any meaning at all it must have particular meaning.  That meaning is well defined and agreed to over the centuries.  But what I am not saying is that all Mormons go to Hell for their belief.  It's not my place to judge those people.  But to the extent that their beliefs are contradictory to what Jesus taught as recorded in Scripture, then I feel that they are mislead or incorrect. 

Now it may seem "unfair" to some people that I think I'm right and others are wrong on a matter of religious belief.  But let's take a look at it from my perspective for a moment.  I think that I've learned the Truth of the Matter, and that the Truth of the Matter is that one can have an abiding, eternal relationship with the Creator of Everything.  Is it unfair of me to attempt to share that information with others as it was shared with me?  No.  What I should not and cannot do is FORCE others to my way of thinking.  But that's not something I can do anyway.  But for me to explain my point of view, and to live as best I can in accordance with my beliefs is hardly unfair, though I have been frequently accused that it is insulting to others and unfair.  Those people of course do not see the irony that while I am not holding them to my standards, but merely presenting my faith and allowing others to make up their own mind as to whether it is for them, those people are in fact attempting to hold me to their standards, which is the very thing they are saying is so vile for me to do. 

I am a believer that there is such as thing as objective, unadulterated Truth even in religious matters.  It is obvious that things could not have happened all the different ways the various religions believe they did.  So which way did they happen?  That way is the Truth of the Matter.  There is an objective Truth.  All religions are not correct.  The question then becomes not whether there is an objective Truth, but what is it? 

- Zurf

Come on now people.  We have these rules for a reason.  I'm not really sure what that reason is, but by golly they're rules.  You can't go around breaking them and not expecting it to cost you dearly. 


Don't pick up a guitar you can't afford.

Don't pick up a good quality guitar that will require you to learn a different style you don't already want to learn.

Don't jamm with other people in the shop if you don't have time to spare to join a band. 

:-)

- Zurf

6,782

(40 replies, posted in Chordie's Chat Corner)

Well in that list, I think I saw one error.  Agnostics should think that farts happen.

I like the way Hank Hannegraaf describes the disagreements between the various denominations.  He calls them disagreements "within the family."  There are certain faiths which call themselves Christian that don't seem to meet the basic criteria, though.  Don't ask me which ones specifically - it's not my job to judge. 

- Zurf

6,783

(20 replies, posted in Acoustic)

The question isn't what you would chose for him, but what you would choose for you and why. 

- Zurf

Haven't tried the contour bowl.  I wonder if it would fit on my protruding gut like a Lego block? 

I'm happy with what I've got for now and not looking for another guitar, but thanks for the suggestion.  When I do go to look (which can't be long, knowing how satisfaction for me is usually temporary at best), I'll check Ovation out.   I've got an Ovation bass and like it very well. 

- Zurf

Weaser - Do you play sitting down?  I have a hard time keeping an Ovation with the curved back sitting properly on my lap.  Standing, it's a bit of an issue as well because it is round surface on round surface [perhaps your stomach is flatter than mine :-)  ]

But as far as sound, the Ovations are nice no question about that. 

- Zurf

6,786

(20 replies, posted in Acoustic)

Martin.  I like the tone.  I like the feel of the neck.

- Zurf

6,787

(40 replies, posted in Chordie's Chat Corner)

Well Doc, funny you should mention that.  The change in culture between church and expectations of the people and the interaction with the state was in our sermon this past week.

Jumping back a generation to my childhood, practically everyone went to some sort of weekly religious service.  Where I grew up in Appalachia, there weren't many non-denominational churches because most of the churches there were getting subsidized from the organization that had surpluses in the wealthier areas.  There just wasn't enough money in donations to keep a non-denominational church afloat in that area.  Not because people didn't give, but because even if they gave generously from their income, the average income was too slight. 

Now, Roman Catholic, Judaism, and various mainstream Protestant (United Methodist, Presbyterian, Lutheran, etc.) religions were what we had.  Regardless of where one went, most fathers took their whole families every week.  Often there were mid-week services as well.  The Roman Catholics had Friday, Saturday, and Sunday services. 

Store were closed on Sunday as a matter of law, but also culture.  Every once in a while, someone would challange the blue laws and open on Sunday daring the authorities to come and fine them.  It wasn't necessary.  No one shopped.  It took care of itself.  The church family was a part of one's extended family.  I was in part raised by the ladies of the church.  The older boys had their clothes passed down to me, and my clothes were passed down to younger boys.  There was a whole network of moms who babysat for one another.  If I disobeyed Mrs. Coole for example, I was punished by Mrs. Coole without her worried about whether my Mom would approve, and then I was punished again by Mom.  Church family, church services, and time / monetary commitments to church were ingrained parts of the culture.  For a time, my father (not a professional pastor) preached at three churches a week because the congregations were so broke that they couldn't pay their pastors, who moved on to find jobs to feed their families.  Dad did this voluntarily.  He knew how to preach, he was known in the community as a God-fearing man, and they were glad to have him come and help.  I honestly cannot think of one family in my neighborhood that did not go to church regularly, and that everyone in the neighborhood knew where the others went. 

Today, things are different.  There is no concept of a communal "Sabbath."  My wife and I attend a non-denominational church, of which there are many in this area.  Granted, we live in what has been labled as the nation's wealthiest county.  While I'm not sure how that was calculated, where we live now is a far cry from the county I grew up in where the median income was well below the poverty level.  So there's room in people's budgets for supporting non-denominational churches.  But by and large, folks don't go to church.  Any service, regardless of religion or denomination.  My next door neighbors go to the Roman Catholic church, and on the other side they go to the Presbyterian church.  Of the other nine houses on our street, none of the people attend any kind of service.  Church attendance in the U.S., based on my EXTREMELY limited viewpoint is down overall.  Spiritual considerations are generally not given merit.  I recently turned down a large promotion at work.  It was because I felt that the job (I had been doing the job for about ten weeks "acting" in the position) interfered with my spiritual well-being.  Folks thought I was crazy.  It meant more money, so why didn't I take it?  My father's volunteerism, doing what he thought was the right thing to do, not gone entirely but surely no longer common.  But the idea of doing it to thank God for the blessing that he still had a job and to minister to all the folks that didn't (unemployment exceeded 25% in that place and time).  Well, I don't think that would be generally understood today. 

Now the thing that perplexes me is whether this is a bad thing.  Do I think that all those folks attending church in my youth were faithful?  No way.  Too many of my friends getting beaten or having to clean up drunken parents or bailing them out of jail.  Their behavior didn't match their professions of faith as demonstrated by going to church.  Today, those folks wouldn't bother going to church.  Somehow, I can't help but think that that's not necessarily a bad thing.  But what it does do is give cause for those who are faithful and the beneficiary of some sort of faith instruction to be evangelical and compassionate in nature to those who may not have the experience.  The church I attend now is mostly comprised of "new" Christians.  People who have come to the Christian faith as adults.  There are tattoos, shaved heads, and Harleys in the lot (even in the pulpit on occaission), former addicts, prostitutes, and felons.  This is a church that has taken advantage of the fact that not everyone is in church, and has brought church to the ones who need it and are open to its teachings.  The music is Pop or Alternative Rock in style.  It's very non-traditional.  And the teaching consists not of esoteric explorations of oblique Scripture, but down-to-Earth basic instruction in how to apply Scriptural principles to day-to-day living.  I think this is better somehow than using peer pressure to fill churches.  The folks sitting in our services want to be there.  They found a need fulfilled.  They're still learning what it means to be a Christian.  I don't know, but I somehow expect that there are a number of other churches in our area where the same story would apply. 

Anyway.  I think I got off topic, but that's the progression of religion in the U.S. from the eyes of an Appalachian hillbilly kid wondering whether he was going to eat that day grown to be a middle aged desk jockey with a paunch living in wealth compared when compared to his youth. 

Oh, as a kid it was the Methodist Hymnal and nothing else in church.  Now it's pop or alternative rock with Christian lyrics. 

- Zurf

sumelton1 wrote:

thanks pj - I do feel the itch getting stronger - and those GH songs will sound pretty cool on one, don't you think!

Oh, you were screwed the moment you picked up the guitar.  You're going to get one.  If you didn't want it, you'd have turned to a financial/budgeting web site for advice rather than a bunch of guitar players (or guitar player wannabe in my case).

:-) 

- Zurf

6,789

(23 replies, posted in Acoustic)

Cobain deep and having changed the world.  Well, I can't go for either one of those.  But I did like Nirvana's music in general.  If there's a musician out there trying to change the world, I'd have to go with John McCutcheon who works tirelessly for South American missions of mercy, or Neil Young, Willie Nelson, and John Mellancamp for their constant pursuit to help farmers.  Maybe they're not glamorous, and maybe they aren't constantly depressed, but these guys are working hard and lending their considerable talents to help other people they consider to be less fortunate.  I admire that.  If you want depressed and changing the world, Willie Nelson tried to commit suicide one time by laying down in the road in front of a truck.  Roger Miller saved him and Mr. Nelson sobored up and got over himself and so lived through the night. 

Esteban.  Well, he's got some talent and he's making some music and he's got so much bluster and so little fashion sense that he's actually making a fashion statement.  Now, that's kitsch!  And I like kitsch, so I guess I like Esteban based on that.  Plus, classical guitar is really, really, really hard and he does it well, so that's impressive.  He has, however, not changed the world either.  Some like his guitars and some do not.  I played one in a pawn shop once.  Not bad, but the quality looked poor. 

So, I guess between Esteban and Kurt Cobain, my vote goes to John McCutcheon, Willie Nelson, Neil Young, John Mellancamp, and Roger Miller. 

- Zurf

6,790

(19 replies, posted in Acoustic)

Yeah, sorry for getting sidetracked.  Hi-jacked my own thread. 

Thanks for the encouragement guys.  As far as Mr. Page, all I meant to do is state that while I recognize his talent and accomplishments that I am not interested in emulating him and prefer to learn from the styles of many other talented musicians.  Some of his decisions have overshadowed his talent as far as I'm concerned.  It would have been better to have left it at that.  Chalk my crankiness up to too little sleep and dealing with a headstrong child stuck in the midst of the "Terrible Twos."  Apologies to Jerome. 

- Zurf

6,791

(11 replies, posted in Chordie's Chat Corner)

Congratulations on your move.  I hope you are and will remain comfortable there.

6,792

(19 replies, posted in Acoustic)

I think you mis-understand me Jerome.  I am not knocking his personal life.  However, I do disapprove of his choices and long-abiding interests sufficiently that it interferes with my ability to enjoy his music, so I have no interest in attempting to replicate it or study it. 

I am not judging Mr. Page, leaving him to his wishes and never once suggesting that he should do anything other than what he desires.  Further, I'm leaving you to your wishes and tastes as well, more than once having said I can understand how you would hold him in high regard.  But at the same time it wouldn't be right to expect me to roll over and play dead regarding my own choices, viewpoints, and decisions when I see someone who is decidedly not interested in God (regardless of spelling) being compared to Him and having it suggested that I ought to emulate the individual in question. 

His drug addiction is not part of my assessment of his character.  I have known too many addicts not to know that it carries it's own judgment and sentence, which is usually much harsher than anyone would like.  I have nothing but compassion for that particular circumstance. 

- Zurf

6,793

(19 replies, posted in Acoustic)

jerome.oneil wrote:

As far as being an "occultists" I'm going to attribute to it what I do to all such accusations. Pure, unadulterated hogwash.

If you do a quick Google search of Jimmy Page and Occult, I think you'll find that there is a well-documented and thorough relationship there.  Or perhaps Google 'Jimmy Page and Crowley' (Mr. Crowley was a renowned Satanist and Mr. Page is a big fan to the extent of purchasing a former Crowley home and having the world's second largest collection of his writings). 

Further, he signed on to write the soundtrack to a film titled, "Lucifer Rising", the point of which is that Lucifer is the bringer of light to a fallen world.  He was fired for not performing.  (I find some irony in that.) 

Now, I can see how some folks could choose only to look at Mr. Page's significant accomplishments.  However, his personal habits and beliefs bother me sufficiently that  I choose not to revel in Mr. Page's luminescence.   

- Zurf

Holy crap.  You broke guitar shop rule number one.  NEVER pick up a guitar you can't afford.  You just know you're going to go get a second job and lie on your tax return just so you can afford the down payment on that Hummingbird. 

I've played the Taylor 110e.  It's nice.  I think there are several guitars made by Taylor, Blue Ridge, Seagull, Martin, and Breedlove in that price range worth the money.  I think the e-110 I looked at was $479 American.  There's a lot of guitars that sound really great between $479 and the billion or two Gibson wants.  For my ears, Martin is tough to beat for good clean acoustic tone, and you can get a well-made Martin for a lot less than that Gibson. 

By the time I'd be thinking about spending Gibson Hummingbird kind of money, I'd be seriously considering a custom luthier-built piece.  You may be able to get a guitar made special to fit for your hands and be easy to play in your style with the exact electronics you prefer for the same level of cash outlay.   Just something to consider. 

- Zurf

6,795

(19 replies, posted in Acoustic)

Jimmy Page is talented.  He is also a self-indulgent occultist.  I have no desire to imitate him, including his playing style.  There's a lot of amazing pickers out there to learn from that I feel quite comfortable with my decision to ignore Mr. Page's contributions, skillful as they are. 

If the only way for me to play was to imitate Jimmy Page and give credit to his overblown sense of self, I'd burn my guitar.  It's not all about playing. 

- Zurf

6,796

(19 replies, posted in Acoustic)

Thanks.  I'll not be playing Stairway to Heaven as I may be the one and only guitar player wannabe that is not a Zep fan.  But there's a whole lot of folk music out there with a ton of barre chords in it that's beyond my reach at this point.

I've started working on songs that include F#m with nice easy transitions.  Johnny Cash's Unchained and Jimmy Buffett's Distantly in Love are the current songs I'm using to learn this challange. 

Once I get the transition from an open chord to F#m back to another open chord working smoothly and sounding good, then I'll try Sister Golden Hair until I get it right with all it's F and F#m shaped barre chords.  And then the world is my oyster.  At least until I start trying to figure out hammer ons, pull offs, scale/arpeggio patterns on guitar, mutes, pick control for pluck/strum patterns, etc. and so forth. 

- Zurf

6,797

(24 replies, posted in Acoustic)

Get a practice book.  Use it.  Maybe go over it with an instructor to get you started.

- Zurf

6,798

(24 replies, posted in Acoustic)

Learn how they relate to one another on the keyboard.  For instance, on the bass strings of a guitar if you are playing the G chord, the fifth of G is D, it is always on the next higher string two frets further up the neck.  No matter what root note you have, the next higher string two frets up will be the fifth (assuming the three bass strings, the B string throws that off but is not adjacent to any of the three bass strings).  The fourth will always be one string higher on the same fret.  The third will always be one string higher and one fret lower (closer to the headstock) on the fretboard.  The seventh will be two strings higher (excepting the B string again) one fret lower (closer to the body).  Two strings higher and two frets lower will be an octave higher of the root note.  Learn those positions in relation to one another, and you're well on your way to a walking bass line. 

It sounds complicated, but is simple in practice.  Root, third, fourth, fifth, seventh, root.  Do that a few times on your guitar.  It'll feel good and easy and sound right.  Be able to play those from any root (it's always the same pattern until you get to that danged fifth string B).  Once you have the pattern of relationship down, if you can walk in G, you can walk in D, or in C, or in A#.  You want to make it bluesy? Then flat the third and seventh and you're playing a blues bass line. 

Passing notes are just notes you rest on for only a moment as you pass between the root, third, fourth, fifth, seventh, or octave root.  Play anything passing.  Seconds sound real good.  That's the root note, the note two frets closer to the body on the same string, then jump to the fourth (one string higher same fret as the root), then jump to and hang on the fifth to be sure to be on it on the third beat.  The second makes a good passing note, but you can play anything in them.  They're just a flurry of notes.  When you emphasize a note, have it be one of the main ones.  On the first and third beat downstrokes, be on one for the first and one or five for the third.  Do it enough and soon you'll be going out and buying a Fender P-Bass and playing Howlin' Wolf records all day. 

- Zurf

6,799

(19 replies, posted in Acoustic)

OK, so here's how cocky I am.  After strumming through exactly one song with a couple of barre chords in it but mostly open chords, I decided to try Sister Golden Hair, which is the exact opposite.  It's all barre chords with just a couple of open chords in it.  Things did not go well.

- Zurf



p.s. But it was fun.

6,800

(5 replies, posted in Acoustic)

Buy one!  They're awesome.  They haven't been around as long as Taylor and Martin.  Another great guitar on the scene is Blue Ridge.  Don't buy a Breedlove until you've played a Blue Ridge.  Then go get a third or fourth mortgage because you won't be able to choose between them!

- Zurf