Very entertaining.

Not sure what I said about Johnny Blue, but I hope you enjoyed the two songs I sent you.  The Willie Nelson song cracked me up.

878

(8 replies, posted in Chordie's Chat Corner)

Nice.  Congratulations.

879

(19 replies, posted in Electric)

Jim -

It's hard for me to say which would be easier for you.  It's probably easier to get started with bass.  The way I play guitar, it's all cowboy chords and picking patterns over those.  So that's not too hard.  The way I play bass, it's mostly finding (hopefully) interesting paths between the root notes of the chords the guitar guy is playing.  Be on the root note on 1 & 3.  For country just using the four and five of the chord is good to emphasize the boom-chuck sound.  For country rock like Eagles, then I use a lot of walkups through the scale or against the arpeggiated chord.  For blues, I use a lot of walkups but much faster and I flat the thirds and sometimes the sevenths.   Also for blues, sometimes I'll jump up an octave, back down to the fifth either up or down to the root note and walk to the next root note but flat the third and seventh notes of the key.  For funk a classic pattern is to hold down the root, fifth, and octave with your fretting hand like you're holding down a chord on a guitar, then with your picking hand make a "c" shape between your thumb and fingers, then move your index finger a little towards the middle.  You thump the lowest root with your thumb, pluck the octave hard with your middle and ring fingers in the "c" shape, and pluck the fifth with your index gently.  It gives a thump/pop/boom sound.  I never got very good at this, but I can explain it because I've worked hard at TRYING to get it.   Victor Wootten is the undisputed reigning champion of this approach, but Bootsy Collins also uses it extensively. 

I find it's easier to play bass if you're interested in the steady beat of percussive playing, but easier to play guitar if you're just going to do the boom chuck strumming of country. 

My favorite players, I don't know their names.  However, whoever it was that played with Magic Sam was incredible, the Motown studio bassist was incredible, the Mussel Shoals studio bassist was incredible, and the bassist who played with both Jim Croce and Gordon Lightfoot was amazing.  The latter epitomizes what I think good bass paying ought to be.  It fleshes out the sound of the overall song, gives it a groove, moves the song along, and never takes over.  That is a very difficult balance to get right, and so from that perspective I think bass is harder than six string (at least the kind of easy strumming way I play a six string). 

- Zurf

880

(10 replies, posted in Chordie's Chat Corner)

It makes me sad to see a picture of a guitar without a bread machine - no THE bread machine - in it. 

Looks like a nice guitar.  I have my eye on a The Loar archtop acoustic.  Something about them just says..."blues."

881

(19 replies, posted in Electric)

Strummerboy Bill wrote:

Ever since hearing Paul McCartney's fingers dance around on that Höfner of his, I have always been fascinated by this instrument. It provides so much "depth" in the song and if you're lucky enough to have a bassist in your band who can also sing, you have half the band already! In my own opinion, of course! smile

So I have some questions of those of you who play this instrument:

1. Will you stay with 4 strings? Does it bother you to go to as many as EIGHT (a la Greg Palmer)? Do you NEED more than four strings?

Zurf: 4 strings.  5 strings are handy, because sometimes being able to reach over one string would be a lot easier than stretching way up the fretboard.  I mostly played "in the box" and so the fifth string wasn't necessary.  I've heard some absolutely amazing funk played by people with six stringed basses.  I don't much see the point of going up to six or eight strings, but as long as they don't ask me to pay for them I don't care what other bassists choose to play.

2. Did you begin with bass or did you come from the six-string?

Zurf: I began with trumpet.  Then moved to baritone.  Then added slide trombone, bass trombone, and tuba.  Then began with an upright bass playing classical music with a bow.  Then moved into playing doghouse bass in a big band.  (Same style of instrument but different percussive plucking playing style)  After that, I was back to trombone for a year at a playhouse orchestra, then came back for the next season playing doghouse bass and a little bass trombone as needed.  Then I stepped away from music for a long while.  Then I started with a wooden flute, which didn't work out.  Then harmonicas, which worked out a little better because I could riff against a record or the radio.  It worked well to play in traffic and raised some eyebrows when I had the windows open and sunroof open.  Then I had a couple drinks with the guys after work, realized I too drunk to drive and walked it off by doing a little shopping, walked into a pawn shop and fell in love with an Ovation Magnum 3 hanging on the wall.  I talked the guy down to $125 from $450 and walked out with it.  I played that a lot with friends, then fell in with a worship and praise band and played every week for churches.  When that broke up, I got bored with playing with CDs in the basement after being part of a band with a real tight rhythm section and finally moved to guitar.  There were also aborted attempts at percussion, fiddle and autoharp in there somewhere.  I'd like my next instrument to be congas with bongos.  I've never given up on that percussion desire. 


3. Is it more/less/ or the same amount of difficulty singing with playing bass as opposed to a rhythm guitarist playing and singing his part?

Zurf: I find it much, much harder to play bass and sing than to play guitar and sing.  When playing guitar as self-accompaniment, my fingers more or less go on rote and roll through the chords.  Rhythm came pretty easily to me after all my years of playing various whatnot.  So I can concentrate on the next words to come, and try to concentrate on keeping my throat open, etc.  I usually still have to read the lyrics to allow me to concentrate on the other stuff.  With bass, trying to listen to the drums and the rhythm guitar and pick up the pieces of the groove that they haven't or can't get, and stay tight, and still keep my low groove groovy, trying to add singing into that is just too much for me.  I can usually sing backup, but trying to lead vocals while playing bass is super difficult for me.

4. Giving advice to a novice about playing bass guitar, how important is the instrument you would recommend and why? A good "starter" bass is _______ and here's why:_____________

Zurf: A good starter electric bass is an Ibanez GX10 or G10 or something like that.  The Squire versions of Fender P-basses are also nice. I like these because they have good tone without the need for pedals and pre-amps and all sort of nonsense.  You just play them and they sound good.  I like MusicMan basses too, but wouldn't consider them to be beginner instruments because of the price. There are a million really good basses out there for sub-$200.  But I like the Ibanez and Squires.  Personal preference.  As for lessons, in my opinion scales, arpeggios, and inversions are critical for bass far more than even for guitar (except maybe lead guitar).  You're rarely ever going to get a good tab for a bass line, so the bassist has got to know how to string his own line together just from the chord chart.  Scales, arpeggios, and inversions are what makes that work.  Also, listen to Jim Croce, Gordon Lightfoot, and all the Motown and Chicago blues you can find. 

5. If you are an instructor, do you teach the importance of drums playing tightly with the bass and how successful (given today's "Hurry up, teach me!!" attitude) have you been?

Zurf: I don't instruct, except to the degree I'm playing with other folks and we're all helping one another.  In my opinion, the drummer keeps the beat but the bassist is keeper of the groove.  When a drummer or percussionist, rhythm guitarist, and bassist are all tight there's nothing better. 

6. Where are you on Chordie? You play a stringed instrument, and you are a VERY integral part of the overall sound of the band, so please share with us your expertise.

Zurf: I'm right here. 

Thanks,

Bill

My fishing friends used to complain because I'd go too fast through the productive water, and my whitewater friends used to complain that I'd go too slow through the slow water and didn't get to the rapids quickly enough.  So I went with Halffastpaddler.  I hardly ever get on the river anymore, but sure would like to get back to it.

On the subject of spiritual pet visitations...I kid you not, but we do from time to time hear the jingle of tags from Grouchy Old Lady, but the funniest is that sometimes when my wife and I are laying in bed we smell her farts.  There's a distinctive bouquet that she imparted to them that's instantly recognizable, and by golly we do smell them every once in a while.  It'll wake us up and we get a laugh about it. I swear it isn't me trying to sneak one by my Funny Little Honey, or vice versa.

Excellent songs.  Johnny Cash was a staple in our house growing up.  My mother loved Johnny Cash, and I think also his music.  :-)  Topdown does a version of The Band Played Waltzing Matilda.  I think it's the only song he does that lasts longer than 2:09.  (Hey now, that'll be enough of that!) 

I don't know Honey by Bobby Goldsboro, but I'll check it out. 

Another song I have a hard time getting through is Will The Circle Be Unbroken.  The line about "hear the angels sing along" gets me every time.

Not a big fan of sunburst myself, but I think something about it just looks right when it's a tobacco sunburst on a strat.  Otherwise, not so much.

BGD - It's in my public songbook "Zurf Christmas Tunage".  The name is "Christmas In The Trenches," and it's written by John McCutcheon.  He's one of Virginia's more successful folk artists, of which we have many.  Maybe it's something to do with magic in our ancient mountains, but we have many, many phenomenal folk and bluegrass artists. 

TIGJLK - I try every year, and fail every year.  Between it reminding me of my grandfather, and it being a miniature ecumenical course on the natures of man and God, it is difficult. Plus there are a lot of bass runs that need a strong and stretchy pinky.

Bill - That wasn't my Youtube account.  My Youtube name is "Halffastpaddler" or "Zurf." 

Another quick story on my grandfather.  As young men before the Great War, he and his two brothers were on a long hike and had gotten thirsty.  They were German speaking Swiss who came upon an Irish pub.  They went in to get a beer.  Now, the Irish and the Germans at that time were not on good grounds with one another. The relations had turned into riots more than once, but once famously in Brunswick, MD where the Irish building the railroad and the Germans building the C&O Canal got into a terrible brawl that left some dead. 

Anyway, things turned out about like you'd figure when a few German speaking fellows, despite not being Germans, wandered into an Irish bar.  My grandfather and his two brothers left that bar walking and in their own time.  The Irish (possibly including my great uncles who were Irish men who lived in the same area) got a sore whooping that day.  A whole bar full against three brothers.  My grandfather said, "If that's how inhospitable drinking makes you, then I'll not do it," and he never took another drink.

What a pretty guitar!  Is that a maple top?  Bet it rings like a bell.

I couldn't do it.  I can't get past the "in two tongues one song filled up the sky."  It chokes me up every time. 

My grandfather was the strongest man I've ever known.  He worked stone and wood equally well.  When he would hunt he never took a sled because he'd just pick the deer up, toss it around his neck, and carry it out of the woods.  He was drafted for World War One.  The Army put his tremendous strength to use as a machine gunner, because on his own he could carry his own pack, a huge machine gun, the tripod for it, and ammunition.  It usually took three people. 

Well, in a terrible battle of wretched trench warfare in Belgium, he was the only survivor of the Germans and of the Americans.  At the end of the battle, he picked up the machine gun, ammunition, and rations, and started the 40 mile walk back to the closest American position he knew.  He reported in and was asked where his battalion was.  He told them, "I'm it." He was reassigned to another battalion and shipped out that afternoon to another battle...the infamously bloody and wretched Battle of Verdun.  The German general entered into that battle intending to make it a battle of attrition.  Over the months of battle the Germans lost 120,000 men.  The French lost 133,000.  I don't know how many Americans.  Maybe they weren't supposed to be there.  I have no idea how many of the 120,000 Germans fell before my grandfather's gun, but given his marksmanship and determination I'm guessing that it was more than a few. 

It was fifty years later in the late 1960's and early 1970's when I knew my grandfather.  He was a peaceful man of prayer whose marksmanship reserved solely for rabbits in his garden.  His ire was reserved for Joe Garagiola whose play-by-play commentary Pap-pap could not abide. 

I cannot sing the song below without thinking of this outstanding man, and how he was equally comfortable in either of the "two tongues" that filled the sky, and whatever he said in either language was bound to be worth the brief time it took him to say anything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5on4WK1MpA

890

(48 replies, posted in Acoustic)

Thanks Bill!  Very helpful.  Entirely possible that I switched a and e.  The sticker is quite old in the instrument.  It was given to me by a family member.  It was originally bought for my wife's auntie when she was a little girl.  My mother-in-law was born in late 1930's and her older sister was older ...   So I'm guessing this instrument was built some time between the wars, though that assumes he bought it new rather than used.  It sustained some damage when aforementioned auntie decided she had had just about enough of practice one day and threw it.  Grandfather-in-law took it to a luthier for repair.  The luthier did a fine job because I cannot see where it was damaged.

891

(48 replies, posted in Acoustic)

Guild D40 - Tacoma, Washington, USA
Takemine RF508C - Japan (not further identified)
Breedlove Retro OM/ERe - Korea (not further identified)
Martin D12X1 - Nazareth, Pennsylvania, USA
(electric bass) Ovation Magnum 3 - New Hartford, Connecticut, USA
(electric bass) Yamaha RBX260F - Sticker must have been knocked off somewhere along the line.  I'm guessing Japan.  Possibly China or Korea. 
(violin) Copy of Antonius Stradivarius - Handerbeit Garmisch b. Mittenwald Germany
(autoharp) Oscar Schmidt Autoharp - No clue?  Germany maybe? 

Hey Bill - What does "Handerbeit Garmisch b. Mittenwald" mean?  Is that a location?  I just copied what the sticker said inside the fiddle.  I haven't used Deutsch since I was a teen.  I haven't been a teen for a long time.

892

(24 replies, posted in Chordie's Chat Corner)

Great news.  Glad to hear it went well.  Best of luck for a full and quick recovery that has you more mobile than you were before.

893

(24 replies, posted in Chordie's Chat Corner)

Best of luck with your surgery.

894

(7 replies, posted in Acoustic)

If you are a beginner, don't worry about strumming patterns yet.  Everything is D D D D.  Just play a down stroke on each beat.  That's all you're trying to do at that stage is keep a beat while making the chord changes. 

As for pick placement, I'm not sure whether you mean placement in your fingers, or placement on the right bass string to start the stroke, or what exactly - but I'll tell you this.  There are some excellent absolute beginner videos that cover those things on Youguitarsage's Youtube channel.  He's got a crazy look and a quirky delivery, but his lessons are very good - especially his early beginner lessons.  I recommend checking him out.  Also good is Justinguitar.com's Beginner Series.  He has lesons to take in order at your own speed.  I think if you go to those two internet resources that you'll learn what you need. 

Good luck.  Keep us informed as you learn, because it helps us to think about these things and try to help you.

895

(11 replies, posted in Acoustic)

unclejoesband wrote:

Try these. John Pearse PB 80/20

https://c7.staticflickr.com/6/5549/30524409334_6a511cd6bd_b.jpgJohn Pearse Strings by unclejoesband, on Flickr

Yep.  Those are good ones too.  I think Topdown is a big fan of John Pearse strings.

896

(3 replies, posted in Acoustic)

I set up my PA in the basement because I felt like it.  It's been up for a while, and not getting much use.  I wondered whether a Seymour Duncan Woody soundhole pickup would work on a 12 string.  It's not designed for one, but I was just wondering. 

Turns out - it works GREAT!  I was happy to learn that. 

I need to practice with the 12'er more because even modest amounts of barre chords with a 12'er was killing my thumb. 

- Zurf

mekidsmom wrote:

Something about a Metal Christmas just kind of gets lost with me.

Think...tinsel.

Don't worry CG, Beamer's one of the good guys.  He and Strummerboy Bill were having a double entendre side conversation going on.

I may try those La Bella strings on Tiny.  What could it hurt?

I'm going to vote for Mother: A Punk's Ballad again for the reasons previously given.