1 (edited by KajiMa 2009-06-08 13:26:26)

Topic: I saved a life, so why do I feel crap?

My local pub is 300m down the road. I play there every Monday night and at the Folk Festival and for the fools who ask me to.

At the Festival 2-3 years ago, I was on the outside leaning over the wall chatting to a friend when via perifery (sp) vision I saw a kid to my right about to run out while a car was coming north down the road. Without thinking I shouted "Watch the road!" so loud that the kid jumped from 1/3 way over onto the verge on the other side. (So loud was the shout that any RSM woulda been proud!)

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Tonight I was outside the pub within the environs of the courtyard under the lean-to roof (as far from the above paragraph as it's possible to be). Standing chatting with a friend and enjoying the Black Stuff, a toddler (1 1/2 - 2 yrs old) came out of the pub with parents trailing behind. I was worried instantly to see the toddler toddling (when their feet have to move forwards to stop them falling over) down the path and turn right towards the road with parents trying to catch up.

Hearing a noise, I didn't think but sprinted (insert the appropriate word for an old, not-quite-cripple moving as fast as they can) across the stone seats on the inside of the wall, jumped the wall and landed in the middle of the road waving my arms just in time to stop a car (or be run over by it).

The parents said "Thank you," and I placed the mother's hand over my heart to show her the effect it had had on me. And off they went, none the worse but (hopefully) a little wiser.

My mate saw what a state I was in and supplememted the Guiness with a double, soon followed by another to calm me down.

I'm home. Not drunk but not sober.

Why do I feel like the antithesis of a hero and am blaming myself for all sorts of unrelated things?

If anyone can enlighten me I would be extremely grateful!

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2 (edited by jets60 2009-06-08 01:18:02)

Re: I saved a life, so why do I feel crap?

Maybe because you stopped the accident, like the first time, but the "accident waiting to happen" still exists. It could happen again and chances are you won't be there when it does.  Can anything be done to slow cars down there or warn the people, including those young inattentative kids, if anything or anyone is coming? Maybe the pub owners could put up a sign to warn the people as well. Or maybe they could put up one of those rounded mirrors that shows both people and cars on either side what's ahead. It would sure save everyone a lot of grief in the long run I think and give everyone including you piece of mind.

J  E  T  S
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Re: I saved a life, so why do I feel crap?

HI Kaj smile

I think Jeff is on track here.  Saving a life while putting yours on the line is a very traumatic thing. Add to that, that it happened once before under the same circumstance and I can see a big guilt trip building. It is not your fault these things happened. Talk to the owners of your pub and have them post signs of the dangerous situation so you hopefully don't have to stress about the possibilities of it repeating.

Meanwhile...Kudos for your bravery and heads up in a dicey situation. I'm sure the parents feel the same way. smile

Big Time Atta Boy.

Kenny

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4 (edited by micky the mooch 2009-06-08 04:14:17)

Re: I saved a life, so why do I feel crap?

Aye well done Kaj, divent gan an kick yersel ower it! m8..yer did the reet thing, lucky for the bairns yer were at hand to do summat, as sure parents are truely grateful for yer intervention
Have a bottle of Broon ale on me!!

Cheers micky cool

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Re: I saved a life, so why do I feel crap?

maybe you are feeling crap because you never got the reaction you should have got when the mother felt your heart race? Maybe she was so shallow and ungrateful she just felt a fast heart and not the other feelings inside?

Ken

ye get some that are cut out for the job and others just get by from pretending

Re: I saved a life, so why do I feel crap?

Thank you Jets, Kenny, Micky and Ken.

I feel better but still far from good.

The mother did keep saying thank you (at least 5 or 6 times) so she did appreciate it; everything about my first post is all entirely within me, I'm beginning to be able to name it and will post more later.

The sign has been mentioned, but as we're in an AONB, we are very limited to what can go up around the village, but I may well insist that the lisencee or the brewery put up a sign warning parents and children within the environs of the pub. I have brought this up before, but I will probably INSIST this time and make it myself!!!

Thanks again my friends for your supportive words, I woulda been in hell if I didn't have you to talk to!!!

<-----<< On an even field, only talent prevails! >>----->
   Gans Gwarak da yn dorn yu lel, gwyr lowen an golon!
        >>-----> [color=#FF0000]Rudhes[/color] hag [color=yellow]Owres[/color], Kajima <-----<<

Re: I saved a life, so why do I feel crap?

What about a gate of some kind. Something nice and ornate. Get fundraising!

Is anything really made up of zeros and ones??

Re: I saved a life, so why do I feel crap?

You know why you feel like crap?  Because even though it wasn't your child coming in to harm's way, you were still paying more attention to this innocent child than it's own parents.  I see it happen every day.  I'm driving in our neighborhood and there are countless young kids, running out in the middle of the street and the parents are nowhere to be seen, or standing and chatting with another neighbour.  Then you read in the paper the next day about how a child was hurt or killed by a vehicle and the parent's quotes are something like this, "I just looked away for a second".  It only takes a second for an accident to happen.  So many times I've seen parents in public with their kids or at a function and they seem to think that everyone else will watch out for their kids, that they're on holiday or something and don't need to.  It's very weird.  So JJ, I think you're probably more upset at the parents than anything else.  THEY should have been watching their child, not you!  But for their sake, thank goodness a caring soul like you was on guard.  Just my opinion and I know that not all parents are like that.

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Re: I saved a life, so why do I feel crap?

I agree 100% with RavenLady.  But, good for you for being watchful when all those around you aren't

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Re: I saved a life, so why do I feel crap?

Hi Kaj, Glad your feeling better. smile

As a follow up on my previous post,my therapist ( I've seen her a bunch lol) once told me that I wasn't the first person to misplace anger for guilt. I didn't realize I had done it and then it made a bunch of sense to me. After some thought I got angry about the situation and felt gooder...much gooder. Maybe that's what's happening for you with the parents, the pub owners and the kids.

Hope this helps you smile

Kenny
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Re: I saved a life, so why do I feel crap?

I was initially going to suggest that the dude you saved was a jerk, and that's what was causing you problems.  However, now that I see it's a kid that can't be it.  My guess is that it's at least partly physical.  You had an adrenaline surge and had to come down off that rush. 

I don't know squat about misplaced guilt or other anxieties.  I suppose it could be true.  Meditate on it awhile in a quiet place and you'll probably figure that out for yourself.  Nobody should know you better than you.

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Re: I saved a life, so why do I feel crap?

Thank you alvee33, RavenLady, bensonp and Zurf so much for your kind and supportive comments. I can't tell you how much they mean especially as I don't get to REALLY talk with people most of the time (very remote here with people spread out!).

And Kenny, thank you again! cool  Your therapist sounds like a very smart cookie! What you wrote really gave me something to think about that made sense in my life!!! (AONB = Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty, BTW)

I feel embarrased talking about my health issues when there are so many people who are in a much worse situation but deal with it so much better than I could (There's someone on this site who has become something of a hero of mine because of their outlook!!!).

I've had 7 or 8 road accidents myself - a road accident isn't coming off my bicycle going round a corner and getting cuts and bruises, but being hit off my bike and having somebody run into the back of me breaking my collar bone is (#2). Using the front wing of a car to bounce myself out of the way of a driver who isn't looking that he's about to run me over isn't, but being hit by a car and having the back of my head cracked open and my kneecap broken is (#1).

The anniversary of #3 is coming up when I ended up half on and half under a tractor trailer, had my legs pulled apart, one foot crushed and the lower half of the other leg ripped out of the joint and sewn back on at the knee. And it happened about 40 yds left of the above photo!

I can see where you think this is going especially when I say I was diagnosed with Post Traumatic Stress in '96, but this wasn't from any of these accidents (although some of them still make me shiver as #3 and #7/#8 (7 car pile up in the fast lane of the M4 coming out of London, 80 - 90 mph nose to tail)), it was from other things that were done to me before this and while recovering from these accidents.

You SO hit the nail on the head Kenny when you spoke about misplaced anger as when the PTSD is bad I do turn everything onto myself of which guilt is one symptom. I think that there was a subconcious link to the other things that my concious mind tries to blot out. So maybe that's it.

I would like to say of the parents that I do not think what happened was in any way their fault as the mother was trying to catch up but couldn't because of elder sister (3 or 4 yr old) being between mother and toddler and tables and a wall either side; it was when I heard mother saying something and heard the car that I realised I had to do something.

I don't think the brewery would support the gate idea however brilliant it is, so I've decided to offer to make the sign free of charge that Liscencee and Brewery should agree to!

Thank you all SO much for your support in this, sometimes one just needs to unload to gain perspective and you guys were there for me - Murrasta Why!!! ("thank you very much!" - Kernowek) I feel embarrassed at some of the back slap comments as they should be directed to those who ARE worthy of them!

I'm so glad I signed up to Chordie!!! big_smile cool

(PS: Check your In Box, Kenny!!!)

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Re: I saved a life, so why do I feel crap?

Remind me never to go on a road trip with you, KajiMa. big_smile

Is anything really made up of zeros and ones??

Re: I saved a life, so why do I feel crap?

Hey alvee.

lol

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15 (edited by RavenLady 2009-06-09 21:13:48)

Re: I saved a life, so why do I feel crap?

No worries JJ.  You're among friends here.  smile And I know how you feel about being out of touch where you live, not around many folk.  We're in the same boat.  You've never been in a boat accident have you????  Maybe I better drive.....   lol 


Cheers
Heather

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Re: I saved a life, so why do I feel crap?

Hey Heather!

lol lol lol

<-----<< On an even field, only talent prevails! >>----->
   Gans Gwarak da yn dorn yu lel, gwyr lowen an golon!
        >>-----> [color=#FF0000]Rudhes[/color] hag [color=yellow]Owres[/color], Kajima <-----<<

Re: I saved a life, so why do I feel crap?

Well at least we got ya laughing.  smile

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--- Organized Love---
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Re: I saved a life, so why do I feel crap?

Glad I could be a help to you JJ. You maybe isolated where your at but you have a world of Chordie  Friends at your finger tips.

Kenny
P.S.  Check your Email. smile

P.S.S. to Heather and aleve33  lol   lol   lol

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Re: I saved a life, so why do I feel crap?

No words but "Thanks!" Kenny, I think you know what I mean!

<-----<< On an even field, only talent prevails! >>----->
   Gans Gwarak da yn dorn yu lel, gwyr lowen an golon!
        >>-----> [color=#FF0000]Rudhes[/color] hag [color=yellow]Owres[/color], Kajima <-----<<