Topic: scales

After playing rythem guitar for years I want to learn scales and get my finger work going. I don't know where to begin.(help) <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_sad.gif" border=0 alt="Sad">

Re: scales

Begin with major scale patterns.  This will help you understand chord structure, and expand the fretboard for you.   You should be able to play them starting anywhere on the E A D and G strings.


Then learn pentatonics.  That's where the meat of your lead lines will come from.

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Re: scales

Most of the time JC all you'll need is the Blues scale which is Em pentatonic. Am is a similar shape, Em adds two notes. This scale is very forgiving on finger moves as most the action is back and forth between the 5th fret and 7th/8th frets. Just keep working on it till it gets in your fingers and you become quick at it, at least that's what I need to do.

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Re: scales

You need to know more than just minor pentatonics, although they are a good place to start.


You'll want minor pentatonics when you're playing in a minor key.  Playing minor pentatonics over a song written in a major key is going to sound odd.   For most blues this is great, but if you want to be a good blues player, you should also learn myxolidian modal scales, as they sound great over dominant 7th chords, which are rife within blues as well.   But if you're playing a song in a major key, you'll want the major pentatonics for that.


You should know the major and minor scales for each key.   The root of it all is that you should understand how a scale is derived, and how it applies to the fretboard.   If you understand that, there isn't anything you cant play.


Scales are the foundation of music.  It's worth it to understand them.

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Re: scales

My advice is very much for the beginner who's allergic to music theory Jerome. Yeah it would be nice to master all those other scales but at present my effort is going into getting the rock'n'roll basics and my Blues scale needs loadsa practice to get up to speed.

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Re: scales

Thats fine, but the OP indicated he'd been playing rhythm for years.


And scale theory isn't complex, particularly with regards to the fretboard.  It's pretty critical, in fact.   


There are only two or three scale patterns you need to know, and you can them play in any key.  I can teach you one pattern, and that will give you 12 different scales.  I can teach you another pattern, and it will give you 12 more scales.


Pentatonic scales, major and minor, are the same way.  There are only 5 minor pentatonic patterns, but none of them will work well against anything other than a minor key.  If you're in a major key, you should deriving your lead lines from major scales.

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Re: scales

honestly I'd say learn both major and minor and go ahead and grab the blues scale while you're at it. Really, any scale that you don't know is something you should learn. Major scales are the key that unlocks the door to all of music theory and minor scales are an absolute MUST for blues and most rock n roll and then there is jazz where all the rules go out the window anyway <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_twisted.gif" border=0 alt="Twisted Evil"> ! So I say learn em all and let your mind and fingers sort them out!

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Re: scales

scales are the rules, you need to learn em , then learn how to break em, thats why  the top guys sound so good

Re: scales

mikehustler wrote:

scales are the rules, you need to learn em , then learn how to break em, thats why  the top guys sound so good

Very Very well put!!!! Besides if you are serious about something then you should learn all that there is to know about it!

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