1 (edited by Peatle Jville 2019-04-07 22:08:17)

Topic: Songs About Jobs That Are No Longer Needed.

I was wondering if people on here have songs they listen to about jobs of old?. I will attach a song about Knocker-uppers.
A knocker-up, sometimes known as a knocker-upper, was a profession in Britain and Ireland that started during and lasted well into the Industrial Revolution, when alarm clocks were neither cheap nor reliable, and to as late as the beginning of the 1920s. A knocker-up's job was to rouse sleeping people so they could get to work on time
The knocker-up used a baton or short, heavy stick to knock on the clients' doors or a long and light stick,often made of bamboo, to reach windows on higher floors. At least one of them used a pea-shooter. In return, the knocker-up would be paid a few pence a week. The knocker-up would not leave a client's window until they were sure that the client had been awoken.
A knocker upper would also use a 'snuffer outer' as a tool to rouse the sleeping. This implement was used to put out gas lamps which were lit at dusk and then needed to be extinguished at dawn.
There were large numbers of people carrying out the job, especially in larger industrial towns such as Manchester. Generally the job was done by elderly men and women but sometimes police constables supplemented their pay by performing the task during early morning patrols.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTNl6QNZyxQ




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOWhdm7Glrc

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I can't say I know of any songs about defunct jobs. But one workman I miss is the humble bus conductor, or the female variety known as clippies "hold tight please" ding ding     

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3 (edited by Tenement Funster 2019-04-08 09:43:36)

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What a terrific thread idea, Peatle ... good on ya!

They're not quite defunct yet, but the flag people who control traffic around construction zones are now being replaced by technology. Here's a comic take by the inimitable (I've always wanted to say that!) "Buddy Whasisname & The Other Fellers" :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LHAulHljCE

And here's what their robotic replacements look like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWicnU_tWUU

So raise a glass for the dearly departed Debrah ... she'll never have to shivver in the cold & wet a again! big_smile

4 (edited by Tenement Funster 2019-04-08 09:51:04)

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And here's another one about coal mining.

With the momentum behind the global movement to ban coal, this dirty & dangerous job is all but extinct. Here's Rita MacNeil & The Men of the Deeps singing her song about it. They're from Cape Breton, Nova Scotia (Badeye's place of origin), which historically had an economy largely based on coal production, and a coke-oven fired steel industry ... all gone now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LesfYqwqvYo

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Don`t know if there were any jobs at Dept of Common Sense
but if there ever was it surely doesn`t exist any more.     

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How about "James River Blues" by Old Crow Medicine Show, a song about boatmen who are being replaced by trains.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-hmhF9cn_k     

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Cheers Phill Here in  Wellington we use be dependent on the tram in many areas as a means of transport, but gradually city planners began to realise that their days were numbered. Many of Wellington's streets were very narrow by Australasian standards and large trams lumbering down the centre-line of the road didn't mix well with increasing numbers of cars. Working on the  tram were conductors and a driver. Like your clippies the the conducter would ring the bell ding ding  so the driver new when to move the tram on from a stop and yell out  "hold tight please" . They took the trams of the roads in 1964 and replaced them with buses that didnt have conductors just drivers.

TF thank you for the two songs about workers and also the traffic control new technology video. I see now they are developing robotic technology to pick fruit I will attach a video of one picking apples here in New Zealand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhswzqyVuLw

EB  Will Rogers quote  “Common sense ain't common.”


DE I love that James River Blues song  I guess many of the Boatmen jobs or Ferrymen as Kiwis call them on rivers around the USA were lost with more bridges been constructed across rivers. Most people here in New Zealand live on the two main Islands the North and the South Island. We are reliant on Ferrys to get us and our vehicles and freight from North to South video attached.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lR_L5k4rpu0

Milk was delivered to houses in New Zealand cities and towns until the mid-1990s, when it gradually stopped. Now people get their own milk from shops. There use to be a saying if you were differant to your father they would say “ Your obviously the milkmans son”.  Here is a song attached  about a milkman The fastest Milkman In The West.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e1xvyTdBZI     

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Thanks for that Peatle, I haven't heard about old Earnie for decades! If there's anyone out there that hasn't heard it do your laughing gear a favour and click the link.

Here in Wales, we had conductors till sometime around the 80's. Trams, horse drawn at first, then electric one's got faded out in the 50's. There were famous trams that operated between Swansea and Mumbles, one is on display in the Swansea museum. I'm beginning to sound like a travel agent!     

Ask not what Chordie can do for you, but what you can do for Chordie.

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Another group of people that are now unemployed is from `the ministry of free speech``
don`t know if theres any songs about this one though.     

The King Of Audio Torture

10 (edited by Strummerboy Bill 2019-04-09 15:27:56)

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I guess another name for "Knocker-Upper" here in the USA would be "Sperm Bank". smile

Here, to "knock someone up" would mean to get them pregnant.

I like this thread, Pete, although I cannot at the moment think of an antiquated job to fit.

Your Bro

Bill

EDITED TO ADD: This one about the elevator operator ------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H86nt-MF3zU

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The title track from Jethro Tull's 1978 album "Heavy Horses" talks about the modern tractor having displaced the traditional draft horse in agriculture. I have old B&W photos of my grandfather working in a lumber camp in the 1920' and 30's, and they show them loading sleds with logs to be dragged out by the big Clydestails, Percherons, or Belgians. They're majestic creatures, but obviously today's tractors are more powerful and efficient.

https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/sear … tion=click     

12 (edited by Peatle Jville 2019-04-10 08:07:03)

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Cheers Bill The lift song a good find. Brothels here in New Zealand use to be known as knock shops. If a woman said she had been knocked up it meant she was pregnant.

EB, Today instead of the Ministry of free speech we have the Ministry Of Hyperbole


TF great choice of song. As a kid the first horse I learnt to ride on was an old draught horse called Old John. He was slow and placid and loved to be groomed. To me Clydesdale horses pulling carts are an impressive sight.

Here in NZ when we use to call long distance we had to go through a telephone operator. We dont need them now. Here is a telephone song I like.
Operator - Jim Croce

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RA4MykPm4s


Here below  is a clip about the worlds last telegram. When I was kid we use to dread the telegram boy knocking on the door as quiet often telegrams delivered sad news.  Good part of weddings back in the old  days was when they read telegram messages from far away of people who couldn’t be at the wedding.

World's Last Telegram Message to Be Sent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvaDGW78f2Y

I love this song Morse Code with references to old forms of long distant communication. Pigeons and Morse Code to deliver words across long distance.

Morse Code - Reina del Cid and Josh Turner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBcr4LMF3mc

13 (edited by Tenement Funster 2019-04-10 10:31:48)

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Great selections, Peatle ... there are more songs about redundant / defunct occupations than I first thought. The Jim Croce song is a real workout to play (as is "Time in a Bottle"), and I've gotta give a "shout out" about Morse Code, 'cuz that's my last name. big_smile Fantastic stuff!

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It's funny that Dirty Ed mentioned James River Blues, because that's the first song that came to my mind as well.

However, the engineer and coal man of a steam locomotive may count in "The Wreck of Old 97".  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et3fVvAbL7k     

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15 (edited by Peatle Jville 2019-04-11 04:33:48)

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Cheer Zurf That is a great bit of Johnny Cash I enjoyed that. .
A fireman, stoker or watertender, is a person whose occupation it is to tend the fire for the running of a boiler, heating a building, or powering a steam engine. Much of the job is hard physical labour, such as shoveling fuel, typically coal into the boiler's firebox.  On steam locomotives the title fireman is usually used, while on steamships and stationary steam engines, such as those driving saw mills, the title is usually stoker (although the British Merchant Navy did use fireman). The German word Heizer is equivalent and in Dutch the word stoker is mostly used too. The United States Navy referred to them as watertenders.
There were approximately 176 stokers on board the Titanic to keep boilers running.  Short video attached below about that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1gyA3MOIwo&t=41s


Back when times were tough people would  search the side of railway tracks for coal fallen from trains to heat their stoves and homes. Apparently some of the firemen  on trains would deliberately shovel some some of the coal on to the tracks meant for the train boilers to help the poor out. Here is Dave Gunning singing about his grandfather shoveling some coal onto the tracks.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7nLTnzTaw4

Dave Gunning - Coal From The Train.

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Fireman.  Two syllables. 

Stoker.  Two syllables.

Watertender.  Four syllables.

That is a demonstration of how governments add efficiency to processes.     

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Zurf wrote:

Fireman.  Two syllables. 

Stoker.  Two syllables.

Watertender.  Four syllables.

That is a demonstration of how governments add efficiency to processes.

https://img2.thejournal.ie/inline/1837443/original/?width=425&version=1837443     

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The late Stan Rogers used to sing this song, about how the big trawlers and commercial fishing fleets, have all but destroyed the livelihood of the smaller in-shore fishermen:

Make & Break Harbour   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjDr1UFp44Y     

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Cheers Zurf where would we be without bureaucratic spelling. Here in NZ what they do with government departments is they change the name of them to make them sound more efficient and devise more rules to make them even more inefficient. If the public gets too upset with our bureaucracy our politicians love to set up expensive committees and inquiries.They put out reports change the name of things and carry on just as inefficient as before.

TF , Excellent song choice big trawlers and commercial fishing fleets, have all but destroyed the livelihood of the smaller in-shore fishermen here in New Zealand also.

I think war might be a bit better if we still had the old fashion knghts going into battle. No modern weapons just swords and daggers and whatever else they used. They conducted themselves according to the Code of Chivalry, which stressed courtly etiquette and valour in battle. That would leave the rest of us to get on with our lifes while they fight the battles  very fairytale and unrealistic of course.  Song attached below..
Camelot (Knights of the Round Table)  - Monty Python and the Holy Grail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9wdYy3tCm4     

20 (edited by Strummerboy Bill 2019-04-13 18:44:48)

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Well, I'm going to post one more and I hope you'll take it in the spirit intended: just good fun.

There's a true story that goes with it and I'll tell it here, among my friends.

When we first emigrated to the  US in 1960, we lived in Villa Rica, Georgia, but my father's relatives lived in a "mill-town" called Fullerville. While VR, had indoor plumbing, Fullerville did not - at that time - and depended on the outhouse for nature's call.

As one might expect, those things had to be cleaned out periodically, and the brave man who took up this task was a man named Harvey who had an old grey mule called Ed who pulled their wagon from house to house to provide their service.

I am sorry I don't have a picture to support what I'm about to share with you, but ol' Harvey (and maybe Ed, too) had a sense of humor about their job, and Harvey fashioned a giant  fake clothes pin made from some light balsa wood which he affixed to Ed's bridle. I guess at some point, indoor plumbing came to Fullerville and Harvey and Ed retired. Rich, I hope!

That's my story and here's a song about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyZcqnZ8aM8

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21 (edited by Peatle Jville 2019-04-14 00:45:48)

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Cheers Bill excellent choice of song. I used many an outhouse as a kid.

I will attach The Outhouse Song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGdNhZViFNU


Redback On The Toilet Seat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjDAiq2-xeU

Septic Tank Man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C102GQCMkV4

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Peatle & Bill ...

Those are great songs about the legendary outhouse. Some plumbers have a sense of humor that will give you the runs, and others just tell crappy jokes. The guy who pumps our septic tank tells me the work is dirty, but the money's clean ... great attitude. And then there's these guys:

https://localtvwghp.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/plumber.png?w=400&h=225&crop=1     

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Fantastic truck - great one line jokes there TF
Jim     

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Cheers TF  I agree with Jim you gave me a good laugh.
Here  is a  Doo Wop group singing about telegrams,
  The Capris,    Morse Code Of Love
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz_9r1APwM4     

25 (edited by Tenement Funster 2019-04-16 00:23:37)

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Peatle Jville wrote:

Cheers TF  I agree with Jim you gave me a good laugh.
Here  is a  Doo Wop group singing about telegrams,
  The Capris,    Morse Code Of Love
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz_9r1APwM4

Good stuff, Peatle ... telegrams were once the fastest way of getting a message over a long distance. There are so many ways that are now globally instantaneous, it's hard to imagine what that must've been like.