Topic: Chords

Hi,

I´m trying to play The Girl From Ipanema from Jovim. Does anyone know how to play the following chord?

Cb9,

Thanks ins advance!

Re: Chords

HiLeiser

I will be corrected if I am wrong here , which makes this site great! just when i think I know everything I need to know,someone comes along and teaches me more,lol

anyway, Cb9 to me would just be B9 as C flat is B is it not? this is where I am tihnking someone might come along and tell me no.

Here is a link to variations to the chord B9.

Try that if none of them sound correct then either I am talking gumff or the person that submitted that chord is wrong. Or he/she has made that chord up themselves.

http://www.chordie.com/voicings.php?tun … p;chord=B9


Ken

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I think that may be a "C, flat 9", rather than "C flat, 9".

Regardless, Cb9 is

Cb  Eb  Gb  B  Db

While C - flat 9 would be.

C E G Db.

I'd just transpose the thing to something more reasonable.  big_smile

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Jerome
you know a lot more about these b's etc than me
tell me, why do people type Eb instead of just typing F# ? it is the same isnt it? or is it?


Ken

ye get some that are cut out for the job and others just get by from pretending

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Well, not Eb and F#.  F# and Gb are enharmonically the same.   Within a given key its different.  So it's the same tone, it's just a matter of how you talk about it for a given key.

Typically, if I'm playing in a key where the signature is sharps (G, D, A, E, etc) then I'll use "sharp."  If I'm in a key where the signature is flats (F, Bb, Eb, etc) then I'll refer to it as "flat."

So in Db major I'd say "Play the G flat."  While in G major I'd say "Play the F sharp."  Same note tonically, just by a name consistent with the context in which you find it.

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There is no Cb anything. Cb would be a B. So whomever transposed it must have wrote something wrong.

7 (edited by jerome.oneil 2007-12-24 02:16:27)

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ebigham1 wrote:

There is no Cb anything. Cb would be a B. So whomever transposed it must have wrote something wrong.

That's why I think it's C, flat 9.

But C flat does exist.  Seven flats on the stave.

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thanks Jerome.

I should really look more into this even if it means getting lessons.
It would improve my playing and my understanding of chords and the entire fretboard.
Just have to find time.


cheers

Ken

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upyerkilt wrote:

thanks Jerome.

I should really look more into this even if it means getting lessons.
It would improve my playing and my understanding of chords and the entire fretboard.
Just have to find time.

It will indeed improve your playing.  It's why I recommend it at every opportunity.

Here's a good starter

http://library.thinkquest.org/15413/theory/theory.htm

And here's one which I think is a little better.

http://www.8notes.com/theory/

Everything is based on scales, so if you want the best understanding of how things will apply to the fretboard, focus on that.

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Leiser wrote:

Hi,

I´m trying to play The Girl From Ipanema from Jovim. Does anyone know how to play the following chord?

Cb9,

Thanks ins advance!

Through my extensive research, within my brain and outside of my brain, this is the closest resemblance of what you seem to be asking for.

http://www.all-guitar-chords.com/index. … mp;get=Get

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11 (edited by petermiss 2007-12-26 16:47:19)

Re: Chords

Hi guys 'n girls!
This is probably a question/statement for Jerome about flats/sharps... (don't know if I dare get in to a discussion on theory with the Jerome guru :-)

In my (swedish) book basic theory for guitar the explanation for why you choose to say flat or sharp (ex. F sharp or G flat) is that in a scale there can never be both a "full" note and a sharp/flat with the same name.

If for example the scale contains a standard F, there can't be a F# (or a Fb) in the same scale, it will then be called Gb (or E#) instead (same shit, different name :-).

And now some theory to enlighten you (you already know this Jerome):

If you build a major scale it's composed by stepping through the scale (the full scale is ALL notes A, A#/Bb, B, C, C#/Db, D, D#/Eb, E, F, F#/Gb, G, G#/Ab) by this order:

Root,  full step, full step, half step, full, full, full, half (and you are back to the root 1 octave higher)

If you use that and create for example a D major scale you get the notes:
D (root), E, F#, G, A, B, C#, D (back to root). To see this theory, look at the D string on your guitar, start with an open string (note D) and walk up the neck on that string by the steps above.

In the D major scale you have "jumped" the F and C notes and got F# and C#. There is already a G and a D in the scale so you can't use Gb and Db.

Now build a F major scale the same way and you get:
F (root), G, A, Bb, C, D, E, F

The first half note step goes from A (which you therefore already used) and you get a Bb, of course it's the same as A# BUT you can't use both A and A# in the same scale which instead in the F major scale give you a Bb.

Mostly as a hobby guitarist you don't now (or don't care) what scale the songs are built of, but the creator probably knew the theory and give your brain some problems by using F# in one song and Gb in the next...

If you understood anything of this jidderich you can just as easily build a minor scale. Just learn the note steps: full, half, full, full, half, full, full and use it from your root (the root gives the scale it's name)


Don't now if this confused or explained...

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12 (edited by jerome.oneil 2007-12-26 19:40:52)

Re: Chords

That's a good rule of thumb to go by, I guess, but I think it's more an artifact of the key signatures, rather than any specific "rule," per se.     Key signatures add sharps or flats as they progress through the circle of fifths, but the notes that are changed are always the same notes.  F is sharp in G, D, A, E, and every other key signature that has a sharp in it.  The same is true for these key signatures marked with flats.

Take a look at the circle of 5ths, and observe how the key signatures are built.

http://www.maxhammondphotos.org.uk/blog … fifths.gif

Now you could indicate F by marking the A sharp, but that conflicts with two things.  G is already marked as a single sharp (the F) and A is sharp in D, E, B, and F#.

It might be an interesting experiment to walk through the key signatures, and mark them up as they would be using flats, rather than sharps, or sharps rather than flats.

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I don't know what came first, the guitar as it looks today or the piano (or predecessors like chembalo etc). On a piano it's much easier to see the logics in the scales and progressions knowing that the whites are standards and the blacks are flat/sharp, left is low and right is high.

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petermiss wrote:

I don't know what came first, the guitar as it looks today or the piano (or predecessors like chembalo etc). On a piano it's much easier to see the logics in the scales and progressions knowing that the whites are standards and the blacks are flat/sharp, left is low and right is high.

That I'll agree with completely.  The guitar is a lousy tool to use for learning theory.  big_smile   If you're interested in this stuff, it is well worth your while to go spend a few buks on a cheap keyboard.

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Sadly it's becuse the guitar is so illogical (is that a correct english word?) there is so much to gain by learning the boring theory. I've done some basic studying and it really helps.

Of course you can be a great guitarist without it, but if you understand the instrument it speeds up the learning.
/Missen

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