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lol....gosh I knew that M.B.......I'm just making conversations, mostly to myself...ignore me and you'll be fine....I'll do the same...

Re: Accoustic Amp interference question

sweetmix4u wrote:

Going direct into the amp using a microphone to amplify the guitar is not the ideal situation for live application.

I don't think we're suggesting that.  We're talking about close micing the amplifier, not micing the guitar.

If all you want is a vocal mic, the Shure SM58 is as reliable as the rain.

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jerome.oneil wrote:
sweetmix4u wrote:

Going direct into the amp using a microphone to amplify the guitar is not the ideal situation for live application.

I don't think we're suggesting that.  We're talking about close micing the amplifier, not micing the guitar.

If all you want is a vocal mic, the Shure SM58 is as reliable as the rain.

Didn't Bass Viking say he mic'ed his guitar with a Shure SM57 to get a signal to the amp?   

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That is what I said!  When I began this entire musical journey over a year or so ago, I first went to an open mic to perform.  Most of the performers had accoustic / electric guitars, but some; like myself, only have a straight accoustic.  No problem, I was told, we will just "mike" your guitar.  They placed a Shure SM57 mike directly in front of the sound hole on my guitar and away I went.  When it came time for me to plunge into buying my own stuff, I followed everybody's advice and bought the Shure SM 58 for voice and a SM 57 to "mike" the accoustic.  It seems to work okay, but if I am doing something wrong, please enlighten me as I still am very new and trying to understand.  Thanks for everybody who is weighing in and trying to put some info behind this topic.  This is what makes Chordie such a great place; great people just trying to help each other out.    Big Jim aka Bass Viking

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The Sm58 is certainly a staple for vocal mic's, I use the beta58 versions on stage for many reasons but, mostly because it's a dynamic mic and that makes it more reliable than death and taxes...as for the acoustic guitar, I would recommend a guitar pickup over a microphone. In the end you'll find it easier to setup, operate and control.

I like to chat with musicians that have no ego to fuel. thanks for inviting me into your E-house.....

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sweetmix4u wrote:

The Sm58 is certainly a staple for vocal mic's, I use the beta58 versions on stage for many reasons but, mostly because it's a dynamic mic and that makes it more reliable than death and taxes...as for the acoustic guitar, I would recommend a guitar pickup over a microphone. In the end you'll find it easier to setup, operate and control.

I like to chat with musicians that have no ego to fuel. thanks for inviting me into your E-house.....

I'm with you.  Unless you're on stage where feedback is a problem (and for me, that's frequently :)  ), I'd mic a guitar with large diaphragm condensers over any dynamic mic every time.  The response curve on dynamics (SM-58s in particular) isn't going to be particularly friendly to a guitar.

http://www.shure.co.uk/dms/shure/products/microphones/frequency-curves/sm/frequency-response_sm58/frequency-response_sm58.gif

Note that open E on a guitar sits at about 80Hz.

Compare that with a pretty low budget condenser (AKG Perception 420)

http://recordinghacks.com/images/graphs/_gen/small/0/0908.png

And you can see what you're losing on the low end.

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Unfortunately you'll  seldom find an experienced monitor engineer in clubs and, feedback can kill the artist vibe. For smaller bands that just perform locally, I always recommend a small investment and build your own In-Ear monitor rack. It will cost you a few bucks but, in the end you'll be able to actually perform to your max without the hassle bad wedge mixes. So, If your trying to reach any higher than the "fun" level of entertainment, its probably the best investment you'll make as a band....

on a side note: not many live band venues left up your way Jerome. Remember the cool venues like the Fenix underground and Shark club? aside from SOHO and Bumpershoot, seems like there's not much left except DJ's and cover bands at the casinos...sad because Seattle had such a great history of live music and the cool venues have all shut down....DJ's killed live music bro.......

Cheers

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They're still up here, they just aren't in Pioneer Square or Belletown any more.  Those two areas have gone full gangster and complete yuppie, respectively, making for the DJ/Cover Band phenomenon you note. 

In the U-District we lost the Rainbow but the Blue Moon is still running strong.   The Crocodile re-opened to much fanfare and the Moore still does live shows every night.    There is also the Tripple Door for a more upscale scene.   There are a couple of places out in West Seattle, the Skylark Cafe most notably, but all the real action has moved to Ballard.  The Tractor, High Dive, Sunset Cafe and Connor Byrnes are kind of ground zero right now.

Gentrification sucks, but it still rains a lot up here, meaning lots of dudes locked inside with guitars.  Fret not,  live music is still *cough* alive and kicking in Seattle.  smile

(I apologize for two puns in one sentence.  My shame is great)

Oh, absolutely on the in-ear monitors.  I'd be happy with powered monitors.  Right now we're using these heap-o-garbage passive things on the floor, and they're terrible.   For the most part, we're happy if we play places with their own sound system, though.  smile

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wow, I completely forgot about the Ballard Firehouse. to think Ronnie James Dio played there...sounds like a couple of new places since I moved about 5 years ago. I do remember the Tractor, the Moore and the triple door but, still not the same as the old days....guess I'm giving away my age....."Heap-o-garbage"...love that...I actually had a sound supplier in Australia that offered me wedges called "way loud"...imagine that?....FYI: they were more like "way weak"....Adamson wedges, wedges of the gods....(^^^)

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Well, I think what's changed is the popular generas.  Back in the late '80s and early '90s when grunge was becoming all the rage, it was absolutely nuts here.   People would pack houses to see bands they'd never heard of before and going to see a show was just what you did.   All the radio play of bands that made music with guitars and drums kept things going.   Now days that scene just isn't as vibrant (or media worthy) and the City Fathers aren't as friendly towards nightlife as they used to be.   I think Portland is a way better town now, generally, for exactly that reason.

Like I said, gentrification sucks.

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