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Thanks guys, glad you enjoyed them.

Because it's now in print, Bill, you are the official Intellectual Property Rights holder to the term "Blackmore's Syndrome". Congratulations! There's no trophy, cash prize, or trip-for-two, but you are 100% accurate. There are just some people - in music and elsewhere in life - that just don't play / work well with others. Is it ego, insecurity, control, lack of empathy ... who knows? Some are just what my Dad used to call "overly self-impressed", and can't bend or flex to accommodate someone else's way of thinking.

All that said, there's no denying that both Blackmore and Akkerman are first-rate guitarists, so we'll just enjoy that and leave the trash curbside.     

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Marillion    "If My Heart Were a Ball, It Would Roll Uphill"    Zelande, Netherlands, 2009

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3MkUEp0t2A

Bassist Pete Trewavas really drives this one along, which is one of the "heavier" songs Marillion has in their vast repertoire. The quieter sections add some interesting contrasts within the song, which makes it extra satisfying. The "Marillion Weekend" festival has been held for a number of years in the Netherlands, always to an enthusiastic sold-out crowd. Not only are there segments of live music, but attendees also get to mix and meet with the band members over the weekend, little jam sessions erupt, good food is enjoyed, etc. It's a unique undertaking which really helps fans connect with the band members themselves, and a very positive experience for everyone. I like to really crank this one up ... like my younger self used to do, to the chagrin of my parents. This song is from their 2001 album "Anoraknophobia", which has an amazing background story on it's own ... for another day.

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Okay, I went to the video because of the bass-line you wrote about, TF, and you're right: He's awesome and the bass drives the song. I guess I'm showing my age, but I don't care much for the singer - it sounds like he's wailing. I did like the song from long ago called "Kaileigh" (spelling may be wrong), but this one doesn't  move me.

I did check Pete Trawevas' bass out online, and it looks like a Warwick Corvette Standard he's playing. Like I said, he's great! Bass as a lead instrument - the first time I ever realized that could happen was with Paul McCartney and then John Entwistle ("Boris the Spider")

As far as bass lines driving a song, my all time favorite is the George Baker Selection's "Little Green Bag": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0f07eJ5e6E

That guy doesn't even look at his strings! Just stands there looking cool.

And I always turn this one up, too. smile

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Good comments about the bass guitar, Bill ... both McCartney and Entwistle are good examples of a player making the bass more than just a rhythm instrument. Other notable greats are the late Chris Squire (Yes), Mike Rutherford (Genesis), Jaco Pastorius (Weather Report), John Paul Jones (Led Zeppelin), John Wetton (King Crimson), Greg Lake (Emerson, Lake and Palmer), and of course Geddy Lee (Rush). This list could be much longer, and we certainly have a lot of great music to enjoy because of the skill and creativity of so many fine musicians.

As far as Steve Hogarth vocals, he's not for everyone ... who is? This particular song has a very raw edge, so perhaps his singing style for this one is appropriate.     

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Tangerine Dream    "Long Island Sunset"    Zurich, 2012

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct40LFJpBEs

This song is taken from TD's 1989 album "Lily on the Beach" which was the 38th album in their prolific career. With only a few albums featuring vocals, it's an amazing feat that an instrumental group could have such a successful career. Beginning in 1967, with over 160 albums including some 60 film soundtracks, TD ranks as one of the longest performing, highest output bands of all time. It was in the 80's when TD started to add other instruments to their music, and not just synthesizers, digital sequencers, etc. A lot of traditional TD fans didn't like it, but most of us saw this as a stage of growth / evolution for the group. This performance is from their 2012 Electric Mandarine tour, and features the amazing Linda Spa on sax / flute, as well as the talents of guitarist Berhardt Beilbl and percussionist Iris Camaa.

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The Aristocrats    "Gaping Head Wound"    Mexico, 2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvdMALPq5x8

In yesterday's "Tuesdays Flying Fingers" we were wondering about how musicians choose a name for an instrumental song. Here's an instrumental piece where a head injury happens during composition, and the guitarist explains how it all came about ... quite eloquently, I might add. These guys are essentially a jazz fusion group, comprised of GG on guitar (Govan Guthrie), MM on drums (Marco Minnemann), and BB on bass (Bryan Beller). They're each brilliant musicians in their own right, and have a tightness and chemistry that few groups can equal.

Guthrie toured with Steven Wilson (formerly of Porcupine Tree) for a while, who was asked about GG's involvement. Wilson explained that Govan could mop the floor with most guitarists, yet he was being asked in many songs to play simple riffs comprised of only a few notes. When Wilson asked Guthrie if he was okay with that, he replied: "Yes, because they're the right 4 notes." This clip is from their live compilation CD called "Culture Clash", released in early 2015 ... weird album cover:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/5hombRcjQdo/maxresdefault.jpg     

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I liked the intro talk he is a funny, clever communicator then when they play for a trio there is plenty  to take in with superb drumming and bass over nice guitar work.It moulded well together even when they were playing separate solos at the same time, Good one  TF

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I bet those guys:

1. Live together
2. Rehearse three times a day
3. Have very little other extracurricular stuff going on.

They're that good. smile     

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Steven Wilson    "Song for Unborn"    London, 2018

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuxGW7xuTes

Mr. Wilson's newest live DVD release was recorded at Royal Albert Hall, London in March 2018, and released on DVD in November. The overall track selection contains more of his softer singer / songwriter material than usual, as well as older favorites from his solo work, and a few more from his years with Porcupine Tree. The only two musicians on thie DVD that are still there from his last one are Nick Beggs (bass) and Adam Holzman (keyboards). It's amazing to me that these other musicians can come in and play music they were never involved in creating, with such accuracy and feeling as if it were there own.

Wilson explains that "Song of Unborn" is a message of hope, for a child yet to be born into the world. In his words: "Song of Unborn in about recognizing the world is a wreck, but that every life is unique and can be turned into something special." The song originally appears on his 2017 CD "To the Bone".

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TF that is superb on many levels it blew me away thank you for introducing me to Steve Wilson.     

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TF

Agreed - this was a fantastic piece!     

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TF  A great  piece of work from all concerned. I  always look at the audience and it was gigantic and that tells you  what type of following they have.     

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Riverside    "Wasteland"    Madrid, 2018

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ygv3BBqv3U

Another solid Prog band from Poland, Riverside began in 2001. Founding guitarist Piotr Grudzinski passed away in 2016, with Maciej Meller taking his place on their last tour. Riverside combines element of atmospheric / ambient prog, often with Celtic influences, as well as some metal thrown in. The unusual combination gives them a very dramatic and expressive theme in most of their work, and a unique identity. This song is the title track from their 2018 album "Wasteland", their seventh studio album.

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I just listened to them and it is an interesting  group and their music and the singing is both very good. I have been amazed at their talent and this group is one of them. Really nice choice with this one.

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Thanks, CG ... glad you enjoyed them. For a small country, it's amazing how much music comes out of Poland, especially in the Prog Rock category (Riverside, Collage, Believe, Quidam, Satellite, Division by Zero, etc., etc., etc.).     

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Big Big Train    "Judas Unrepentant"    London, 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_i-uqGNzgU

BBT formed in 1990 in Bournemouth, England, and did only studio albums for their first fifteen years, i.e., no live concerts until 2015. Having relied solely on album sales through their website, many of which received terrific reviews, it wasn't until the last few years that they actually began performing concerts. With the distinctive voice of David Langdon (who sounds a lot like Steve Winwood) and an ensemble of talented musicians, BBT gives full value for their musicality and performance abilities. This group is a recent discovery for me, so this is their first appearance in Prog Rock Wednesdays ... enjoy!

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The normal with a flute and a violin with strong vocals leaves you with a lot to like in a strong performance.  Great find TF. Hope many listen to this one.     

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I love the way they incorporate the violin sound..     

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Steve Hackett (Genesis)    "Get 'Em Out by Friday"    Liverpool, 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vwfe8jEDuY

Written by Peter Gabriel, this song is a musical play about an excessively greedy land developer, and the people he both uses and abuses. The original song appeared on Genesis' 1972 album "Foxtrot", which began a series of albums featuring Gabriel singing with different voices for different characters in various songs. In Hackett's rendition here, he uses three singers to do this, and as good as they are, they still don't quite match Gabriel's range and intensity. One standout here is Roine Stolt's coverage of Mike Rutherford's bass guitar lines, and he does a fantastic job. The Genesis group were all in their early twenties when they wrote this, which is staggering in itself. And for a comparison of how good this cover is, here's the original from the "Foxtrot" album:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp-TwWnn0dk

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That was interesting - good music - lyrics had several twists to them. 

Good stuff - reminds me a bit of Genesis.

A question - why does the keyboard player have two keyboards - some bands have even more.  Are they in different keys of have different sounds or something?     

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With a band I personally know, one is a piano, one is an organ, and one is  standard keyboard.     

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TIGLJK wrote:

That was interesting - good music - lyrics had several twists to them. 

Good stuff - reminds me a bit of Genesis.

A question - why does the keyboard player have two keyboards - some bands have even more.  Are they in different keys of have different sounds or something?

That's a really good question, TIG.

At one time, a player needed several keyboards at hand because they wanted several different voices in a song (piano, organ, synthesizer, clavinet, mellotron, etc.) and needed them all programmed so they could go from one to another without having to interrupt the flow of the music to change programs. Companies like Nord, Korg, and Roland now make very sophisticated keyboards which can change on the fly (via foot switch) and also split the keyboard (piano on right side, organ on the left). Jordan Rudess (Dream Theatre) tours with a single KORG Chronos programmable keyboard, and uses footswitches to access everything it can do.

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Wow that is amazing. I can't imagine mastering that!
Thanks for the info     

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Steven Wilson    "Pariah"    London, 2018

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwfGi_Qomc8

"Pariah" (i.e., outcast, exile) is about a person bottoming-out in life, but somehow managing to find the courage and resolve to pick themselves up and start over. For those who have been on that path, the sung conversation between the Pariah (Steven Wilson) and his "encourager" (Ninet Tayeb) is incredibly moving lyrically, musically and from a performance standpoint. This is one of those songs that stays with a person (often brings me to tears) and if you give it a good listen it really sticks ... stellar performance.

Wilson writes a lot of his music about people in the throes of being broken-hearted or carrying heavy burdens, yet somehow managing to find hope in the midst of despair. He once explained that although his music often deals which such sad themes, the common bond between most of us is that the sun certainly doesn't shine everyday. Yet we can still find comfort and strength in knowing we are not alone, and that sorrow doesn't have to have the final word in our lives. This is another track from his 2017 album "To The Bone", and this clip is from his 2018 "Home Invasion" DVD filmed at Royal Albert Hall.

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Very good choice TF. I thought his  singing voice was better than hers at least for my ears. They all were great.     

Music is what feelings sound like.
Music is life, that why our hearts have beats.