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All the artistic and emotion filled desire in the universe means nothing if you can not play the instrument.  Art follows technique.  Always.

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jerome.oneil wrote:

All the artistic and emotion filled desire in the universe means nothing if you can not play the instrument.  Art follows technique.  Always.

No, not always. in experimental or avant-garde  music this does not always apply.

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SouthPaw41L wrote:
jerome.oneil wrote:

All the artistic and emotion filled desire in the universe means nothing if you can not play the instrument.  Art follows technique.  Always.

No, not always. in experimental or avant-garde  music this does not apply.

It absolutely does.  Even more so in fact.  Those experimenters have to know something about what they're doing before they can experiment.  Guys like Zappa and Frisel were and are top notch technicians.    Herman Szobel was a prodigy player.

If you've got some dude banging pots and pans together, it's no more art than some two year old kid splattering paint on the canvas.  You can call it art, but it aint.

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Yoko Ono?

Life is art, art is everywhere, all of the time. Sometimes one has to squint a little harder to see it....................

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SouthPaw41L wrote:

Yoko Ono?

Exactly my point.

Had she not been the wife of John Lennon, she'd be some crazy lady on the corner banging pots and pans together.  Ono has always been one who leveraged her fame and "art" off of her husband.

Her visual art may have some merit.  Musically, she's awful.  And I don't believe she plays an instrument regardless.  She just "sings" ( for what that's worth. )

The name I would proffer up as a pure heart player with absolutely no talent is Sid Vicious.  Dude couldn't play a note, but you believed every thing he did.

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You cannot play without knowing how. All this "play from your heart" crap is only good once you know how to play.

"You have to get over the love of power, and enjoy the power of love, in order to know peace."
-Jimi Hendrix.

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No one here is disputing the fact that theory is important in playing music. Perhaps if one were to read  what I wrote this "controversy" could've been avoided. Here's exactly what I referring to; (posted 12-26-2007)

"Take two musicians that have the same level of music theory knowledge and the one that plays with emotion and feeling will always be the more enjoyable musician to see perform. Theory filled robots who play with no emotion give me the same absensce of excitement I would occur from observing a person push a button on a well programmed sequencer. It takes talent to know what to program but it's just  not moving to this musician.I am more moved when a performer's true love what they are doing is apparent in their performance."

See, I believe in theory. I started my musical career studying classical guitar and 24 years later I know the importance of strong knowledge of theory. I continue to expand my knowledge of music theory on a regular basis to this day. I have to do this because I teach guitar and some of my students are rapidly catching me, several have surpassed me and I have no problem with that. I did my job, maybe too good.(haha) I also know this; Many musicians in my area  which I reside can play circles around me, beat me in a game of rock-n-roll trivia, and score higher than me on a musical theory aptitude test. Many of these said musicians are sitting at home playing  their guitars in front of their computers or going to see other musicians gig and feeling bitter and cheated all the while. They'll say things like, "that guy sucks, that should be me up there" or "I'm way better than him, this place needs to hire me." Why is this one might think? Well I'll tell you. Some of might not agree but it's the cold, hard, truth. These angry, bitter musicians are playing for the wrong reasons. Music isn't  so much about showing another musician up or displaying a great technical ability on one's instrument than it is to play and perform to people and show people that you truly love what you're doing.(after your theory is learned) That's where the "playing from the heart "comes into play and it is not a "bunch of crap" as someone stated earlier, it's real people and it's why musicians get repeat business at clubs, resorts, insert venue here. Real human emotion and a strong passion for your music will take you places that you never though you could go. I'm not talking about physical places neccessarily, but it will help more so than those emotionless, bitter, mad at the world, at-home guitar playing virtuosos. Two musicians (of the same musical level )go into a club and one tells a club owner how good he is and how much theory he knows. The second musician tells the same owner how much he loves performing to a crowd and as much as he loves the buzz from a rowdy, enthusiastic, large tipping crowd, that pales in comparison to his genuine love for music as a whole. That's real and that's from the heart. Who do you think is gonna get the gig?....... So in summary, no one likes and is gonna hire an egotistical jerk with a large knowledge of music when a polite, humble, passionate musician with an equal knowledge of music is going for the same gig. Geeez, just be cool dudes/dudettes............
         There's a ying and a yang if you will. Sure one needs to put the horse before the cart (theory knowledge then playing from the heart) but a horse can only carry so much....................

Peace and Guitars,
SouthPaw41L

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25Frankster wrote:

I think a big problem with a lot of music today, is that it is so engineered, so technically precise, that the emotion is sqeezed out of it.  I'll take Neil Young playing a raggedy solo on "Keep on Rockin' in a Free World", than  some perfect piece--there's soul in that music.

AMEN!!!
You expressed EXACTLY what I wanted to say!!

Dm

"Talent instantly recognizes genius,
but mediocrity knows nothing more than itself."

-Sir Arthur Conan-Doyle

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Paco de Lucia vs. Al Di Meola

No doubt both extremely talented and both technically correct. I enjoy and am amazed at listening to the both of them. That said, I believe Paco plays with an element of passion that is greater than what Al brings. If I had to choose from the 2, my choice would would be Paco (and I do understand they play different styles - and am glad I don't have to choose smile ).

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