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Topic: Saints and Sinners - by TIGLJK

I think that I may have become cynical having to deal with this Covid world we have inherited.  Like  Easybeat said - when something comes to you - you gotta put it down.

I'm not totally sure the music is correct, but it works for me.

Let me know what you think.

Jim



Saints and Sinners By Jim Kenyon


Sinners and Saints




Verse 1




[D]I hear the whispers of the [G]secret social [D]circles


[D]even among those I count to be my [A]friends


[D]judged and grudged, a [D7]name that gets [G]smudged


it’s[D] never the means, but [A]always the[D] ends


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Verse 2


[D]There’s a price to pay, if you [G]try to walk[D] away


[D]Like living a life without laughter and [A]love


[D]Just follow and listen, and [D7]do whatever they [G]say


It [D]seems that you’re not hardly [A] worth thinking [D] of




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Chorus


[G]Losers , winners, Saints and sinners, there’s a [D]fine line drawn between


The [G]apostle, prophet, gospel and gossip, seems the [A]truth’s hard to be seen


[G]Losers , winners, Saints and sinners, what’s [D]down that path we choose



Just[A] follow, listen, and do what they say, [G]Seems either way I’m gonna [D]lose




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Verse 3


[D]I look around and I don’t [G] like this world any[D]more


[D]Don’t care and I’ve got no reasons left to pre[A]tend


[D]I’m so bruised and scarred, [D7] I feel so all a[G]lone


Just [D] can’t go back, never [A] be the same [D]again


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Chorus


[G]Losers , winners, Saints and sinners, there’s a [D]fine line drawn between


The [G]apostle, prophet, gospel and gossip, seems the [A]truth’s hard to be seen


[G]Losers , winners, Saints and sinners, what’s [D]down that path we choose


Just[A] follow, listen, and do what they say, [G]Seems either way I’mgonna [D]lose




Just[A] follow, listen, and do what they say, [G]Seems either way I’mgonna [D]lose


Just[A] follow, listen, and do what they say, [G]Seems either way I’mgonna [D]lose






Your vision is not limited by what your eye can see, but what your mind can imagine.
Make your life count, and the world will be a better place because you tried.

"Use the talents you possess, for the woods would be very silent if no birds sang except only the the best." - Henry Van Dyke

Re: Saints and Sinners - by TIGLJK

Wow!  I'm really impressed with those lyrics Jim and looking forward to hearing the song. 

DE     

I want to read my own water, choose my own path, write my own songs

Re: Saints and Sinners - by TIGLJK

Tig
this has got to be your best lyric yet.
well done you.     

The King Of Audio Torture

Re: Saints and Sinners - by TIGLJK

Hi Jim. I never try playing the songs people post, I'd rather read through them first to get a feel for the words and the meter. You'll be pleased to know you passed...lol
I'd almost expect this to have been penned by Pete or Brian, earthy and to the point, I was almost expecting names!
I've found myself in this position all my life, people you think are your friends turn out to be back stabbers. Or as Ann would say; more faces than the town hall clock! At least as writers we can get the monkey off our back by posting on Chordie.
PS, don't blame covid for everything...lol     

Ask not what Chordie can do for you, but what you can do for Chordie.

5 (edited by Peatle Jville 2020-11-23 05:21:56)

Re: Saints and Sinners - by TIGLJK

Excellent lyrics Jim. Here is some of my thought on social circles  and people feeling bruised.   Losers , winners, Saints and sinners and the path they choose. Looking at the news sometimes I can see to have conversations with those with different points of view is impossible.
                                     Price To Pay
In a  way of land there is a man who many think is their Messiah.
There are also many of those who don’t.
His words are gospel to some and to other's just half truths and no truths.
Is he sent by the Devil or sent by the lord?
Some say ,“ propaganda and slander.”
Some have thoughts they are frighten to express.
Fear that those they love dear are unable to hear thoughts they hold sincere.
They can’t even agree on what they believe or see with a disease called Covid.
Apart from maybe knowing some will get over it.
People have free will over who they put on the top of the hill.
Their decisions maybe wise or they can divide.
Be it right or be it a sin the majority will always win.
I suppose for many today arrogance of a leader isn’t a sin.
I can still hear my Sunday school teacher from when I was a kid reading that bible verse,
‘Whoever wants to be a leader among you must also be your servant.”
Enough of what’s happening out in the big somewhere.
I will just sit here and enjoy my garden and hope my Roses will bloom.
While my neighbor over the fence talks to his friends on zoom.
For those who read this who have been profoundly affected.
Please don’t think that I have been completely disaffected.
I guess it is true many with strong views end up going in circles.
Spinning the spin and never giving in.
There is always a price to pay.

Re: Saints and Sinners - by TIGLJK

Peatle

That's awesome.

I love what you wrote
" I can still hear my Sunday school teacher from when I was a kid reading that bible verse,
‘Whoever wants to be a leader among you must also be your servant.” 
If only every leader of every nation would go by that we would many less problems.
Thanks for the kind words about the song

Jim     

Your vision is not limited by what your eye can see, but what your mind can imagine.
Make your life count, and the world will be a better place because you tried.

"Use the talents you possess, for the woods would be very silent if no birds sang except only the the best." - Henry Van Dyke

Re: Saints and Sinners - by TIGLJK

There was a king of North Wales in antiquity named Bendigeudwad Fran, which I think means (literally translated) considerate crow? Any way his famous saying as his army came upon a gap with no way of crossing "a fo ben bid bont" or "he that would be leader or king should be a bridge," then laid down across the gap  ( he was a giant!) So his army could cross safely. Today's world leaders could learn a lot from that.     

Ask not what Chordie can do for you, but what you can do for Chordie.

Re: Saints and Sinners - by TIGLJK

So true Phill !

I must say that there are a lot of people in the field today that do those sort of things ( especially in areas of health services).
I'm afraid that you hit the nail however in assessing politicians - they are bridges - but mostly toll bridges for their own benefit.

I hope you give this song a whirl - I'd like to hear your version.

It's funny how you, Peatle and I all wrote on kinda the same topic - completely different scenes with he same message.

Hope you and Ann stay safe and healthy, enjoy the upcoming holidays, and somehow are able to spend time with those wonderful grandchildren.

Jim     

Your vision is not limited by what your eye can see, but what your mind can imagine.
Make your life count, and the world will be a better place because you tried.

"Use the talents you possess, for the woods would be very silent if no birds sang except only the the best." - Henry Van Dyke

Re: Saints and Sinners - by TIGLJK

Jim check your e-mail.
Cheers!     

Zen guitar is nothing more than playing the song we’re all born with inside - The one that makes us human.

–Phil Toshio Sudo
Author of Zen Guitar

Re: Saints and Sinners - by TIGLJK

Beamer
Didn’t get anything in email
Jim     

Your vision is not limited by what your eye can see, but what your mind can imagine.
Make your life count, and the world will be a better place because you tried.

"Use the talents you possess, for the woods would be very silent if no birds sang except only the the best." - Henry Van Dyke

Re: Saints and Sinners - by TIGLJK

thanks Jim and seasons greeting to you and all my Chordie friends. our PM cant decide whether to have a lock-down over Christmas or not. but one thing we've all learned is...whatever he says today he'll do the opposite tomorrow.     

Ask not what Chordie can do for you, but what you can do for Chordie.

Re: Saints and Sinners - by TIGLJK

Beamer
Didn’t get anything in email
Jim     

Your vision is not limited by what your eye can see, but what your mind can imagine.
Make your life count, and the world will be a better place because you tried.

"Use the talents you possess, for the woods would be very silent if no birds sang except only the the best." - Henry Van Dyke

Re: Saints and Sinners - by TIGLJK

TIGLJK wrote:

Beamer
Didn’t get anything in email
Jim

I sent through forum mail.
I didnt want to detract from your post. What I sent was asking you if you had ever heard Winners and Loosers from Social Distortion as this is reminisant of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlezvXrIkqM

Winners and losers, turn the pages of my life
W're beggers and choosers, with all the struggles and the strife
I got no reason to turn my head and look the other way
we're good and we're evil, which one will I be today?

There's saints and sinners
Life's a gamble and you might lose
There's cowards and heroes
Both have been known now to break the rules
there's lovers and haters
The strong and the weak will have their day
We're devils and angels
Which one will I be today?     

Zen guitar is nothing more than playing the song we’re all born with inside - The one that makes us human.

–Phil Toshio Sudo
Author of Zen Guitar

Re: Saints and Sinners - by TIGLJK

Nope.  Never heard of them     

Your vision is not limited by what your eye can see, but what your mind can imagine.
Make your life count, and the world will be a better place because you tried.

"Use the talents you possess, for the woods would be very silent if no birds sang except only the the best." - Henry Van Dyke

Re: Saints and Sinners - by TIGLJK

I like this song real well.

Don't I owe you a couple recordings from like six years ago?

I finally bought the gear to do them. Can you remind me of the songs you wanted me to try?     

Granted B chord amnesty by King of the Mutants (Long live the king).
If it comes from the heart and you add a few beers... it'll be awesome! - Mekidsmom
When in doubt ... hats. - B.G. Dude

Re: Saints and Sinners - by TIGLJK

Jeez Zurf     

I can't remember half the stuff from last week !  smile

Yeah I thought you were going to do a couple a while ago, though I can't remember which ones

If you want to give this one a shot be my guest. I thought Phill was going to do it but Ann must have made other plans for him smile  just like my wife does.

Anyway, I'd be honored if you did one of my songs. I'm not much of a musician and it is always so cool for me to hear my songs really played by guys that actually know how to play and can sing.

Thanks and I hope your new equipment is awesome.

Jim     

Your vision is not limited by what your eye can see, but what your mind can imagine.
Make your life count, and the world will be a better place because you tried.

"Use the talents you possess, for the woods would be very silent if no birds sang except only the the best." - Henry Van Dyke

Re: Saints and Sinners - by TIGLJK

TIGLJK wrote:

Jeez Zurf     

I can't remember half the stuff from last week !  smile

Yeah I thought you were going to do a couple a while ago, though I can't remember which ones

If you want to give this one a shot be my guest. I thought Phill was going to do it but Ann must have made other plans for him smile  just like my wife does.

Anyway, I'd be honored if you did one of my songs. I'm not much of a musician and it is always so cool for me to hear my songs really played by guys that actually know how to play and can sing.

Thanks and I hope your new equipment is awesome.

Jim

Quick shot at it.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/zEcHRcKNAaXdPzA66

I don't lay claim to "guys that actually know how to play and can sing."  I do lay claim to "I have very little shame and will give it a shot."     

Granted B chord amnesty by King of the Mutants (Long live the king).
If it comes from the heart and you add a few beers... it'll be awesome! - Mekidsmom
When in doubt ... hats. - B.G. Dude

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TIGLJK wrote:

Nope.  Never heard of them

Did you listen to the link?
they were called punk but nowdays i feel they are more good old americana rock and roll.  Why they still are not in the R/R HOF I cant figure out.

Check the next few out.

Dear Lover
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQhh2lfkImM

Machine Gun Blues
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otZ1SfwbE64

Califorina hustle and flow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksTUQ7ciHXU     

Zen guitar is nothing more than playing the song we’re all born with inside - The one that makes us human.

–Phil Toshio Sudo
Author of Zen Guitar

Re: Saints and Sinners - by TIGLJK

Beamer,
yep  listened to them all.  The California Hustle and flow was the one I liked best.

I think they are quite good, but I'm not sure about the R7R hall of fame.

Thanks for the posts though - I liked listening to them

JIm     

Your vision is not limited by what your eye can see, but what your mind can imagine.
Make your life count, and the world will be a better place because you tried.

"Use the talents you possess, for the woods would be very silent if no birds sang except only the the best." - Henry Van Dyke