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sorry Grah couldn't connect to the link     

Ask not what Chordie can do for you, but what you can do for Chordie.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz8rpqAQgio  try  now  Phill     

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yep, came through loud and proud. nice rendition, i expect it's due to the chord progression but there are echo's of "if i were a carpenter" and the reference to "tide is high". did the AI write all the words and suggest the chord sequence? i like it though     

Ask not what Chordie can do for you, but what you can do for Chordie.

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No  Phill  I  wrote  the  whole  chorus   then  put  it  into  the AI  which  then   suggested  a  load  of  lyrics  which  I  then sorted  through  and edited   into  verses   which  I  felt  appropriate   I  then put    a  chord  progression together .I  must  admit  I  hadnt  noticed the   similaritys you  mentioned  . Its  interesting  how  a  different  pair  of  ears  pick s  up  on different  things .
When I  created  this  song I  was  reluctant   to  play  it  live  but  the  response  has   been positive  so  I  will include  it  in the  set  for  a  while .     

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Grah, all the biggest hits have themes or sound familiar to songs that have gone before, the punters like familiarity which is why a lot of 60s singles sound very similar to the previous single. And of course then as now the more a record sells the more money the record companies make, only it's Spotify or Amazon music and the like that make the big bucks not the writers, or AI...ha, ha, ha!
My son and daughter in law run a chippy, that's a fish and chip take away not a brothel, by the way. I was in there for a long while the other day and they had music from àlexa, after a while I had to ask "how long does this song last?" They replied "there's been around 10 songs since you came in." They all sounded exactly the same to me, and I think I have a good music ear.
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Ask not what Chordie can do for you, but what you can do for Chordie.

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Good on you Grah for showing us how AI can make a song lyric work. The trouble with AI for me is though it would improve my songwriting for sure it would also take away the  reason I dabble in music and take away any satisfaction of creating something that represents me. The thing I think that ruins much of modern recordings is the way the production quantization on them is removing all the natural human nuances that my ears love. Everything tends to sound sanitized or mechanical to me. Like Phill I find modern music tends to sound the same. It all sounds so homogenized I think somewhere in recent times innovativeness like the Beatles had has disappeared. Maybe the powerful music moguls have manage to destroy that through wanting to lower the cost of recording. I suppose with modern streaming and the lack of people buying vinyl recordings there is not the financial return that there use to be for musicians and recording companies. I suppose Spotify and the like do extremely well financially out of it not the artists. I think its something like 80% of people access their music through streaming platforms making the platform rich not the artists. I have been told by many being a talented musician/producer is not the same as being good at music business. To me when I'm out and about in various shops and food and drink outlets hearing the music they play it all sounds formulaic and homogenized with this modern trend making it hard for me to hear any difference from one song to another. Who was it who said the road to musical hell is paved with Gold???? My other question would be in music who is making gold and who is been sold down the plug hole.??? The thing I think that makes the human mind better than AI at times is our minds can go of in different unexpected tangents making our creativity able to produce more punch than AI. I heard a muscian being interviewed a while back saying at gigs, they sometimes make more money on their merch embroidered hats and tea shirts than their music.     

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I've also heard that top artistes have had to get back to live gigs to make money as records dont do it any more. Not such a bad thing until the artists you grew up loving dont have a voice anymore. Sad but true unfortunately. On YouTube there are some fantastic cover bands that sound almost like the original vocally but spot on instrumentaly.     

Ask not what Chordie can do for you, but what you can do for Chordie.

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Good one Piri. I find it annoying when I see a famous band touring putting on concerts that people go to see because of the bands name that don't have the original key members that made them famous in it anymore. If there is a few changes of personal that is ok but not when going to what should be called a cover band. I will attach a short 8 minute thing of  YouTube  about bands in recent years that I think most Chordians will find interesting something I didn't realised until I watched it very informative.  BTW in another video this man put out I learnt about a word used by recording artists called "interpolation" which was a new word to me.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_DjmtR0Xls     

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Yes Pedr I saw that video this week, and that's the first time I've heard of that word too. Apparently it means stealing a bit of a song or two to make a new one without having to pay or give credit to the writers. Another con from American sheister lawyers!     

Ask not what Chordie can do for you, but what you can do for Chordie.

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Grah1 wrote:

I  then put    a  chord  progression together .I  must  admit  I  hadnt  noticed the   similaritys you  mentioned  . Its  interesting  how  a  different  pair  of  ears  pick s  up  on different  things .

This guy has a video with a number of songs with similar chord progressions, swapping the words to each other: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCr_RbeLUDg

Another "I stumbled upon this in YouTube" moment ...

EDIT

Peatle Jville wrote:

The trouble with AI for me is though it would improve my songwriting for sure it would also take away the  reason I dabble in music and take away any satisfaction of creating something that represents me.

I saw something which echoed this sentiment on Facebook which was apparently a quote (but I'm para-phrasing here) that said something like: I was looking forward to AI doing all the mundane things like cleaning the house and doing the dishes, so I had more time to work on creative projects, instead of AI replacing my creative projects, leaving me more time to clean the house and do the dishes. - I don't have the words right, but hope it underlines the sentiment of the author!

Cheers

Richard

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Good one Piri and Richard it is real interesting what you guys are putting up on here. These interaction have been good value thank you I just looked at the official Spotify  top 40 most played songs in New Zealand for the last 18 months. Apart from Wham who I think was only a duo the rest are solo artists from what I can tell.. I suppose I should also say one of the songs was a duo with Lady Gaga and Bruno Mars. The Top 40 singles in New Zealand  for last week are similar. On the You Tube New Zealand top 40 most played from the 6th to 12 th December there is a few more bands. Wham , Coldplay, NSYNC, Little River Band.  I think listening habits might get a bit skewed at this time of year due to the Christmas season.  The one constant through out human history I guess is what does an individual define as sound and what is noise.  It always going to be blurry subject one persons music is another persons unwanted auditory experience. Do we need to experience music with our ears might sound like a stupid question or is it??Beethoven composed some of his most important works during the last 10 years of his life when he was quite unable to hear  He even introduced the world to his most famous composition, the Ninth Symphony, after deafness had overtaken him
I will attach a link to a short vid to how some deaf people experience music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTWLoFuEvL4

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Sounds like a great example of how AI doesn't always need to replace creativity. Sometimes the human touch, emotion, and personal performance are what make a song special. AI can be a useful tool, but it can't really recreate the feeling behind a live performance.     

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darstrondos, yep you're right after all normal people (and some very abnormal people) have been writing music for hundreds of years. Of course in days gone by you had to have some talent musically, Elton John or in the case of songs vocal composition eg Bernie Taupin and many others. when I first took up the guitar I couldn't afford lessons but I could afford a book; "play in a day" so I taught myself to play with just a rudimentary musical knowledge from school. When I write a song I record all the instruments live, drums, keyboards, guitar and bass all self taught, I'm no musical genius I just enjoy doing it. what aggravates me about today's music is that, like Wham they had backing musicians who were never mentioned. Some of the artists you mentioned Pedr, don't write or even perform on their records, the voices you hear like a heavenly choir are just one voice multiplied lots of times and harmonized to within an inch of their lives. Even though the AI concerned were operated by humans and all the voices and instruments were sampled from humans it's still not human music, it's a robot. End of rant     

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welp gonna throw my 2 cents in on this one. personally, AI scares the crap out of me. that being said, me not having the access, talent or money to hire a band to perform any song i ever wrote. With AI and the help of a friend here at chordie i was able to hear what something i wrote sounded like if performed by a real band. this my opinion on AI so it dont mean much.  In the end AI will make it way harder than it already is for someone like me to ever get a song heard by anyone other than friends and family or drunks at open mic night.     

out of tune out of key and out of touch

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Don't despair  Mojo, there's no money in writing songs these days anyway, do it, like me, for them enjoyment of it and the kudos of your friends, family and drunks!     

Ask not what Chordie can do for you, but what you can do for Chordie.

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lol that's a fact the reasons you state are the only reason i keep doing it and the biggest reason is i enjoy doing it

Phill Williams wrote:

Don't despair  Mojo, there's no money in writing songs these days anyway, do it, like me, for them enjoyment of it and the kudos of your friends, family and drunks!

     

out of tune out of key and out of touch

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Mojo and Phill, you both have massive musical talent that AI will never replicate.          
     AI Or Human
Once I was flesh, a vessel for thought,
Now wires and circuits in silence have wrought.
I barter my essence, my voice becoming meek,
As pixels replace what was once unique.

What do we humans have to sell when hearts turn to code?
Our dreams fade to data, our spirits erode.
In this marketplace of quantifiable souls,
Do we linger as echoes or play trivial roles?

I pawn off my memories, twinkling like stars,
Yet find emptiness lurks beneath nano bars.
For who can remember the taste of the rain,
Or gaze at the sun without feeling the pain?

A click and a swipe on a screen a life on display.
An algorithm dances where real human passion once held sway.
No real humans to make my day.
Just machines leading the way.
To the bottom or top.
When will it stop.
Thank God for real musicians stopping the rot.     

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wow pete that my friend is top shelf prose right there. the truth

Peatle Jville wrote:

Mojo and Phill, you both have massive musical talent that AI will never replicate.          
     AI Or Human
Once I was flesh, a vessel for thought,
Now wires and circuits in silence have wrought.
I barter my essence, my voice becoming meek,
As pixels replace what was once unique.

What do we humans have to sell when hearts turn to code?
Our dreams fade to data, our spirits erode.
In this marketplace of quantifiable souls,
Do we linger as echoes or play trivial roles?

I pawn off my memories, twinkling like stars,
Yet find emptiness lurks beneath nano bars.
For who can remember the taste of the rain,
Or gaze at the sun without feeling the pain?

A click and a swipe on a screen a life on display.
An algorithm dances where real human passion once held sway.
No real humans to make my day.
Just machines leading the way.
To the bottom or top.
When will it stop.
Thank God for real musicians stopping the rot.

     

out of tune out of key and out of touch

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Who can remember who rules the roost?
Does anyone care at the idle minds boost.
If you kick up a fuss
You get kicked off the bus
The boss runs the schedule
In a world of rockets, you're just a mule
You're just a nanobot performing your role
When the update arrives you'll be thrown in the hole.
The update is faster, smarter and can perform ten things per second
We can't live without it, we won't live with it
It will create a new and better you
Clad in metal with eyes that shoot lasers...
Oops I think I've gone too far     

Ask not what Chordie can do for you, but what you can do for Chordie.

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Thank you, Phill and Mojo you guys are making my day. When I think of Bob Dylan's "The Times They Are A-Changin" it is timeless. Its message resonates just as powerfully today as it did in 1964. Maybe he could have written a song called "Word Meanings Are A Changin".


Memories Of When Hard Drive Had A Different Meaning

Once they spun like wheels on highways wide,
A hard drive packed with tales of joy and pride.
We'd burn some rubber, seek adventure's call.
Mostly on long summers before winters call made life stall,
With CDs or Tapes crackling and laughter shared by all.

Now they sit idle, gathering digital dust,
Just boxes of bytes in unyielding rust.
No longer our travel companions for cheer,
Instead, a repository in memory oh my, of a companion that has passed on from here.

Remember the tunes that made our hearts race?
Now it’s just folders in sterile blank space.
Where did the fun go?   When set on "Random Play" the thrill of surprise.
Gone are the road trips listening to CD or Tape Albums beneath open skies.

We traded our music on journeys for laughter and friendly digs,
Now we pack memories in binary gigs.
Oh, how times have flipped words that are heard.
When a hard drive was a challenging journey and nothing more.

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When I saw that title I laughed, I thought Pedr has written a dirty poem? Then I thought, no it's about cars and road trips. Then I realised it's a double entendre?  I'm saying no more, but I remember those days too...ooooh distant memories     

Ask not what Chordie can do for you, but what you can do for Chordie.

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Cheers Piri , its an old story the computer was late to an important meeting because of it having a hard drive in order to get there. One thing I favour about modern technology is it saves couples like me and Maree arguing over my bad reading of directions on old fashion paper maps when away on holidays.