Topic: Pfft, all the cool people play VIOLIN!

Anybody else here play the elusive violin?

It's actually not a hard instrument to play, and I'm a fairly new learner. I've been scouring the internet to try to find rock songs that I could play on my violin, but I've yet to have any luck. Any of my fellow violin players know of any?

It doesn't really matter if you do (although it would be quite helpful  <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy">).


Anyhoo, if you do play, how long have you been playing?

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My wife plays but she plays scottish and irish traditional and folk songs.


But a few good songs to learn  ( but dont know if they are on the net) is any of the  songs fro mMetallica's album S&M, the album they done with the orchestra with michael Kamen at the helm.


then theres a bit softer sort of music from the corrs


whitesnakes " in the still of the night" I dont know if there is a violin but in the video he plays the guitar with a violin bow.


and thats about all I can think of


Ken

ye get some that are cut out for the job and others just get by from pretending

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Awesome, I'll look out for those songs! Thanks  <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">

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you could do some kansas

and probably cant play them yet but Charlie Daniels is always cool

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Hello luniepoo - all the really really cool people play fiddle!  Fiddlers can jam and add an exciting 'zing' to a combo.  Violinists, on the other hand, definately do not jam - they are strictly 'paper-trained' and are frozen with fear if they don't have pages of notes in front of them.


Check out this Wikipedia article for some great links to the world of fiddle music:


<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiddle" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiddle</a>


There is tons of stuff on the web for 'fiddle' players.  You can use Chordie to find songs you like, and then round up a guitarist or two to play with you.  There are lots of tabs for melodic lines on many songs - Translating from guitar tabulature to violin-user tabs is probably a do-able thing.

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Hello again luniepoo - check out Scarlet Rivera, she has played with Dylan, Indigo Girls, and many others.  She also has excellent posture!

<a href="http://www.scarletrivera.com/" target="_blank">http://www.scarletrivera.com/</a>

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Yeah...I play violin too!!! It's actually the first instrument I learned to play.  I am the concertmaster of my school orchestra, so a lot of the stuff I play is in the Baroque/classical/romantic genres, but I do like to find some rock stuff now and then. Stairway to heaven is a really good play, but I really don't know where to find it on the internet.  It is really hard to find free sheet music(well, as far as I know at least).  I also found this arrangement of purple haze, but it was kinda crappy.  Also, if you are into the contemporary praise music scene, you could get involved with a praise band with your violin. You don't have to follow sheet music, you can use the guitar chords...just hold out some long notes of what the chords are, and as you get used to it add in some variation.  It's a lot of fun!

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In response to James McCormick's post about "fiddle players" being the only violin players who can have fun, fiddle is a style of music played on the violin, not the actual instrument being played.  From a violin player's point of view, fiddle is fun to play, but it's not the only good way.  I play a lot of different types of music, and while I like to have the notes in front of me, I still like to do improv and have fun with it.  I find your comment about violinists being "paper trained" quite humorous, although I strongly disagree.

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Hello juliamarie - and touche'! My comments were made in jest . . . I started my discovery of music playing bassoon.  I also played braritone sax in the stage band in high school.


Even though I could read and play all the notes on the page, I never could improvise on the sax (or bassoon) - I just couldn't make that leap of faith off the written page.


Went off to college thinking I wanted to be a Music major, but soon realized that I did not have the dedication to spend at least 4 hours in a practice room every day perfecting my technique - so I switched majors and music became a hobby rather than a career goal.


I love classical (or "serious" music) and am lucky to live in a small town that has a major univeristy, so we can hear accomplished musicians ply their trade.


However; I see an irony in that most classically-trained musicians are incapable (or unwilling) to step out and improvise. They are excellent technicians, but seemingly lacking in the spark it takes to play music that is not written.


On the other hand, there are the vast hordes of self-taught musicians who love to improvise but who are unable (or are uninterested in learning how) to read music.


I believe that anybody who enjoys making music will benefit from learning as much as they can about how to do it better.  If you know the technical stuff - then learn how to play beyond the written notes.  If you already don't require written notes - then learn how to read music and whole new world of wonderment will open to you.


I've got a good friend who plays cello and I've been trying to get him to play with me - but he is terrified of not having a full bass line written out. . . I'll keep working on him though and wear him down eventually.

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I see...well my full apologies for the hostility, but I get that a lot, so I tend to lash out.  I was suprised to find that you were not a violin player because you spoke like you did...bassoon is awesome though too!  It reminds me of a sound your nose would make (I mean that in a good way though!) Oh, and by the way, with all due respect, your cello playing friend has got to break out of his shell...he can't stay on the bass line forever!  There's so much more out there for him!!!

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and in response to the two of you ,lol


My wife can improvise along with my playing, " wild rover, irish rover, fileds of athenry, black velvet band, and a few rock songs.

She has been playing for about 18 months or so.

NOW, her violin tutor who has been playing for maybe 30 years says she cannot improvise and is jealouos of Lynda ( me mrs). Her tutor is the head person in a orchestra calleed Bearsden Fiddlers. The dont play fiddle music though, the yall read from the notes in front. Some experienced players have said they are lost without the music in front of them and indeed my wife is when she tries to play the scottish songs that the Bearsden fiddlers play.

Also ( not a stringed instrument) I know a woman that is in the scottish national orchestra that plays the flute fantastically but she cannot improvise at all, eventhough she has tried and tried. She gets thru about half a song at most then stops.


So I would say for some people on certain types of music, some people need the music in front, others dont.



Ken

ye get some that are cut out for the job and others just get by from pretending

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i tend to agree...but as a fiddler as well fiddlers are cooler...but upright jazz bassists rock socks!!!!!

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Most definately - anybody who can make a double bass sing a sweet song of seduction or thunk out a fat-nasty beat has got magic in their fingertips and voodoo in their bones . . .


For some, the bass is a sacred calling - - not a chore.

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14 (edited by Jikklop 2007-07-05 10:38:04)

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Hey,
I think that violinists are really cool, whether they prefer fiddling or any other style! My best friend is a violinist and she's pretty damn good at it. I wouldn't mind learning violin or cello, or something of the sort. I first learnt soprano recorder in grade one, then alto saxophone in grade three (which I am TERRIBLE at) and then I taught myself guitar this year.
My violinist friend, a celloist friend and I are thinking of playing "Good Riddance (Time of Your Life)" by Green Day, but we need free (we're only 12) sheet music for the violinist (not a fiddler tongue). Could anyone help me with finding some?
Thanks,
Jikklop

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Hello Jikklop and welcome to chordie!  If you google up 'free sheet music cello' you can find various sources.  However, locating sheet music for contemporary music is difficult since music publishers (the ones who have the rights to print songbooks for various groups) take offense at somebody stealing their thunder.  So, getting free Greenday sheet music for your cellist friend might be tricky.

However, there are bass tabs available on the net - your cellist friend would have to learn how to understand tab notation, but that is a fine challenge for a young musician.  Likewise, melody lines for the violin could be transcribed using guitar tabs - a little trickier, but also do-able challenge.  With a little creativity you could work out a nice arrangements together.

On a historical note: way way back it was not unusual for cello and double bass parts to be only 'suggested' and not fully notated on musical scores.  These 'continuo' or 'figured bass' lines were sort of improvised by the cellists and bassists.  Have your cellist friend ask their teacher about 'continuo' or 'figured bass' playing.

If nothing else, the three of you can compose your own pieces - cello is a marvelous and highly versatile instrument.  Likewise, violin/fiddle is fabulous.  Sorry my response is so long, but encouraging young musicians to explore and create is important.  James

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James McCormick wrote:

Hello luniepoo - all the really really cool people play fiddle!  Fiddlers can jam and add an exciting 'zing' to a combo.  Violinists, on the other hand, definately do not jam - they are strictly 'paper-trained' and are frozen with fear if they don't have pages of notes in front of them.

I quite agree. smile I play both violin and fiddle, and most of the time fiddle is more fun.

Of course playing electric violin is also fun. I play my electric on the worship team at my church and people love it.

To answer your question, luniepoo, I've been playing 8 years.

I also took cello lessons for a little over a year, but it was too much like violin so it was kinda boring. tongue

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Hey Mr. McCormick,
Thanks a lot for your suggestion! I haven't found any yet, but there are a lot of promising links.
Again, thank you so much,
Jikklop

The Irish gave the bagpipes to the Scots as a joke, but the Scots haven't got the joke yet.

18 (edited by elkabong 2007-08-06 07:07:38)

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The best way to learn how to play the violin is to work on your technique and ear training.  The technique helps you play the notes and the ear training helps you figure out what notes to play.  Listen to songs you like and start off by figuring out the melody bit by bit (any key will do), then figure out the chords (gets easier with practice).  Use the melody as a basis to improvise within the structure of the song.  You could always look up the chords and riffs, but then you don't do as much learning on your own.  There are also a lot of good books on fiddling, jazz, blues, hokum that could be a good guide.  But for the most part, practice your scales(even the weird ones), arpeggios, and etudes every day with a metronome - these are like the grammar or alphabet of the musical language.

About breaking out of the shell, I played classical for 12 years and recently started exploring rock, blues and bluegrass.  At first it was hard to play without music in front of me, but my teacher did a cold turkey approach where we just worked on fundamentals and figuring out songs by ear alone, with a strong emphasis on rhythm.  Its been about 6 months and the difference is like night and day.  Now I can jam with all my friends on songs I don't know that well and I can figure out a lot more songs that I hear/like in just a few minutes of plinking around.  All I can say is it feels good to be able to rip out a solo and realize that hey, that sounded pretty cool and I totally just made that up.

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I play the violin and cello. I've been playing since I was 6. I find it really hard to improvise as well. I think we classical players are taught too rigidly when we start and every little mistake is seen as a flaw. Those little mistakes are actually what helps us to improvise and explore new sounds. The need to be perfect is drilled into us and the beautiful art that is music is systematically forced into a regimine of scales and lessons that we have to master. I don't argue that theory is a definate advantage when learning any instrument but I think it's worse to bury yourself under a mountain of theory and forget about the music itself. My husband has never had any lessons and cannot read music (despite my years of trying to teach him!) and he makes my cello sing! Not Bach or Motzart...Aerosmith, Johnny Cash, Elvis Presly! He even does a great double bass on my cello!

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To the classical players who wish to improvise or play rock, etc. I would offer the thought of right hand rhythm first. This is really important. Darol Anger has a terrific video  recently released which covers this quite well. It's called "Chop and Groove", and features Darol on violin, Casey Driessen on five string, and Ruchad Eggelston on cello. Ruchad is one of a kind.

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i have played violin or actuly fiddle for about 5 years and there isn,t many rock songs for it. the only songs i can think of would be yellow card but i never realy liked there music and most of it would probabaly be realy hard.

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