Topic: writing the score

<img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_redface.gif" border=0 alt="Embarassed"> <font color="purple"></font>I have been fiddling with a guitar for most of my nearly fifty years. I play piano and various wind instruments. I can read music..... What I can't do is to write music I have composed down on paper. Nor can I afford to purchase software.


Any advice to a shame-faced Gal ?  i realise this is a very basic requirement. but when you have all finished splitting your sides, i really could do with a bit of help.


Many thatks, The Minxy One.

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I'm a little confused on how it is you can read standard notation, but not write it.   What is the blocker?  For most guitar pieces I simply use tablature, but if there is some different rhythmic bit I'll write it in standard form.


What is it about standard notation that prevents you from writing it down?

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Um....lack of knowledge...music theory has never been my strong point. Tab is no problem, ...well mostly. Standard form however, I wouldn't know where to start.


Yes i know it doesn't make any sense...

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Hello Theminxy1 - Transcribing a melody that you have invented into standard notation can be frustrating.  Since you know piano, you have a huge advantage. 


Start by getting the basic notes down - forget about the rhythm until you have the proper intervals sketched out.  Then go back and start assigning time values to the tones.


I have a little battery-powered cheesy keyboard.  Sometimes I use it to help figure out a melody and jot down ideas.  Here is a site where you can print blank staff paper:


www.danmansmusic.com/ player/common/printpaper.htm


The nice thing about having a melody written out is that it is then easier to improve upon it and play with variations on the theme.

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Start by getting the basic notes down - forget about the rhythm until you have the proper intervals sketched out.  Then go back and start assigning time values to the tones.

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This is good advice, and also what I do.  When I do start to work on the timing and rhythm, I use a metronome or at least slow things down to the point where I can take a lot of the elaborative bits out of the tune and break it into it's basic rhythms.  Don't try to write the grace notes,  ghosted notes, or anything like that into it at first.

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Many thanks James, I'm sure I'm probably just biting off more than I can chew here...... trouble is I always 'hear' the music as a complete piece...accompliments and all, so I tend to over-complicate things............

.......... what's an interval when it's at home  <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_redface.gif" border=0 alt="Embarassed">  <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_lol.gif" border=0 alt="Laughing">

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Many thanks Jerome. Have at least made a start, but it has to be said that it all looks complete nonsense on paper. Could I be the first musician to suffer from musical dyslexia ?


Now how the heck do I discover what key this blasted song is in ?  Never ending questions eh ?  <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_confused.gif" border=0 alt="Confused">

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You are not the first musician who has 'musical dyslexia'.  Irving Berlin composed hundreds of wildly popular songs. However, he could hardly read or write music himself.  He played piano exclusively in the keys of F# major and D# minor since these keys are mostly just the black keys on the piano.


He had assistants to actually write the music and work out the details of the melodies and arrangements.  Berlin had a 'gut' understanding for musical theory, a keen ear, and a creative spirit.  He eventually gave up on learning the details since it just took time away from songwriting.


The moral to the story is this - the musical ideas are more important than the paper representations of those ideas.  If you really need written versions of your songs, find a collaborator whose talent for transcription complements your talent for originating songs.


If you don't really need your ideas down on paper, get some very basic recording equipment that can hold our ideas while you are creating the songs.  For a guy who really couldn't read or write music, Berlin created a vast array of songs which are still alive in our collective consciences - and he lived to be 101 years old!

"That darn Pythagorean Comma thing keeps messing me up!"
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Now how the heck do I discover what key this blasted song is in ?  Never ending questions eh ?  <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_confused.gif" border=0 alt="Confused">
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Couple of ways. If you know what your "base" chord is (the one you keep coming back to for each verse), that's probably the key.


If you have it recorded, you can also simply find the single note that goes with the entire song, and that is probably the key as well.


If you are new to guitar, and the song is played at the nut, I'm going to guess you are in either E or A, or possibly G.


Let us know what you find!

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Strangely, I've been playing for thirty years, not too well I grant you, but hell, considering pops only taught me three chords and told me to get on with it, I don't suppose I did too bad. However, what is has meant is that I mostly play alone, so I haven't really developed my playing very much.


However, now I have a little more time on my hands, and I find that I need to write things down, not least because I want my kids to have the music they've heard me murdering all their lives, I'm not gonna be around for too much longer, and they don't want to lose it.


Many thanks for your time and help my friend, it's much appreciated.

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However, what is has meant is that I mostly play alone, so I haven't really developed my playing very much.
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Playing alone is BAD. Its never too late to start playing with other people, though. I'm only 17, and as well as guitar, I play trumpet, french horn, bass guitar, and some piano. Being in a music program in my school, I am always playing music with someone else. This is how I learn most of the stuff that I know about music. The best way to learn more about guitar and music in general is to surround yourself with people who know it better than you do. Just a small piece of advice that could help you on your way.

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cheers for the encouragement babes. Bit difficult starting up in a new town , but I have no doubt I'll find folks eventually.....anyone in aylesbury out there ? lol

You're right of course. even silly ole farts like me need to remember that it's all about the love of music and its sharing....... And one thing I have learnt from being a teacher is that learning is still great fun, no matter how much you already know.

thanks again,

Bright blessings from the Minxy 1