Well, Mozart, Beethoven, Paganinni, etc... seemed to do pretty well expressing their art using standard notation, so I can only assume you have either very limited musical experience (probably self taught?), or don't read it.   I'm going to guess a little bit of both.

Standard notation provides you the tools necessary to describe inflection, tempo change, volume, and every other aspect of song that you might care to know about.  It's the medium that artists use to express music.  Your feelings on the matter don't change that.

1,977

(12 replies, posted in Music theory)

I'm going to set certain rules.  If you don't want to participate, then simply don't.

1,978

(10 replies, posted in Songwriting)

I can only speak the US, but I believe many countries share similar copyright laws.

The 1st thing you do is write it down.  In America, copyright is implicit on authorship.  That is, you don't have to do anything other than put something in a tangible form for you to hold copyright on it.  That might mean scoring it, or recording it, or publishing it here.

As mentioned, one of the reasons I use Chordie is to do that.  I put an original work here, and I immediately have copyright to it.  And I can defend that as my own.  I posted it, it's got a date attached, and it's nice.

What registering the copyright does is allow you to increase your damages should you end up suing someone for violating it.  It is a civil violation to violate someones copyright.   If you have it registered, and you mark it with the little "circle c" and put "Copyright blah blah blah" on it, that allows you even a stronger position if it comes to litigation.

So if you want it copyrighted, the best thing you can do is publish it.  Stick it up on Chordie, or put it down on paper, or something like that.

1,979

(24 replies, posted in Recording)

That's fantastic.

So, please don't throw any rocks, but when I read that in my head, the voice soon turned into Eminem rapping it.  It really does work in an urban context!   It's got that whole class warfare thing happening in it.  Rich vs poor, everyone dies.

Awesome bit or workmanship, regardless, Doll.

1,980

(20 replies, posted in Acoustic)

patrickthered wrote:

Drink messes up fine motor control....I have found drink makes my playing worse.

Of course you could get vocal classes....

I can't remember who here said it, but "The more you drink, the better I sound."

I use that line every gig now.  big_smile

I agree, to a degree.

Rhythm and such is best expressed in standard notation, which is a sometimes complicated beast.   Tab and chord charts are notoriously bad at expressing that kind of stuff.  There is no easy way to express it except in standard notation, and creating legible standard notation for display on the websites is really tough.

Does anyone know of a way to do that?

1,982

(12 replies, posted in Music theory)

geoaguiar wrote:
upyerkilt wrote:

im here as a member.

I dont like this at all.

Huh? I think it's interesting, appropriate and applicable. I respectfully disagree, sir. This is music theory related. Timing is something I've always struggled with and I think this is helpful for song writing. In fact, if this weren't such a hotly contested issue, I'd say it probably fits best in the Songwriting Forum. But, just one mediocre musician's opinion for what it's worth.

Everyone's opinion is welcome here, but I don't want to get side tracked on this issue.    For those that think it's cool and interesting, please jump in and participate.   For those that don't care for it, the easiest solution is to simply not participate.

1,983

(12 replies, posted in Music theory)

Stonebridge wrote:
jerome.oneil wrote:

But I'm really curious to see how this would fall out in 6/8.

Any takers?

OK Jerome, here goes, and apologies for being a bit abrupt in my last reply.

I wasn't aware of anything to apologize for.  In fact, I thought it a pretty fascinating and good reply.   You're clearly a guy that knows his stuff, and your input is important.  I'd like to see this as a discussion on how we merge artistic intent with sound theory in order to come up with good music.  It think it's shaping up that way.

Maybe I could explain why I think it goes in 3 or 6...
When I saw the word "poetry" I didn't immediately think of punk or rock!
For such a cultured ditty I thought more of a slow ballad or more reflective sort of song (thinking of Cohen, Paul Simon here)
Even a bit of a dirge in the minor key...
I also think there may be certain transatlantic linguistic differences in the way the speech patterns work. Who knows.
Taking the 1st line
You CAN not SALT the EA-gle's TAIL, nor LIM-it THOUGHT'S do-MIN-ion
This goes as: de DUM de DUM de DUM de DUM etc
That is unstressed-STRESSED unstressed-STRESSED etc (technically referred to as "iambic", I'm told)
with 2 beats on each STRESSED  "DUM", and 1 on each unstressed  "de".
This would be my way of speaking the poem and my natural speech rhythm.
This is more likely the way when you are looking at a nice slow, elegant style of song. Emphasis on the word SLOW.

I can see that if I squint my ears hard enough.  big_smile  I guess that does call out another important aspect of the discussion, and how you would apply theory to literary ideas to create a song.   The lyrics themselves lend to a certain tempo, but that will be colored by your interpretation of them.

You read them slowly, and slower tempos do well in 6.  My own musical biases are towards more straight up rock and punk, so that's how I interpret the song.

I'd like to work it using your interpretation, though, purely as an exercise in my own growth.   I think you see it in 4 much easier than I see it in 6, and I like to do things the hard way.   

You | CAN not SALT the | EA-gle's TAIL, nor | LIM-it THOUGHT'S do- | -MIN-ion  - - X |
So it's really a matter of how you approach the initial choice of style. After that the rhythm decides itself.
This is why music and songwriting is so fascinating. Look how we can see two totally different interpretations of the same text.
Hope I have made myself clearer this time.
Regards

Chris

Much clearer.

Shall we build it as a dirge or something minor?  Lets us A minor, as everyone knows it well.

Agreed?

1,984

(12 replies, posted in Music theory)

I'm making this sticky.

Anyway, as before, poetry is a good way to discuss aspects of theory often overlooked, like meter and rhythm.

We were discussing rhythm for Edmund Vance Cooke's "Sedition" which I played as a punk tune, in 4 or in 2.   Some had mentioned that they felt it fit better in 3 or 6, and I was at a loss as to how it fell out like that.

So here's the poem again...

You can not salt the eagle's tail, nor limit thought's dominion
You can not put ideas in jail, you can't deport opinion
If any cause be draw sans lies then drag it to the light
Out in the sunshine evil dies, but fattens on the night

You can not make a truth untrue by dint of legal fiction
You can not prison human view, you can't convict conviction
For though by thumb screws and by rack, by exile and by prison
Truth has been crushed and palled in black, yet truth has always risen

You can not quell a vicious thought except that thought be free
Gag it and you'll find it taught on every land and sea
Truth asks no favor for her blade upon the field with error
Nor are her converts ever made by threat of force and terror

You can not salt the eagle's tail, nor limit thought's dominion
You can not put ideas in jail, you can't deport opinion

I usually bang it out in E or C.

But I'm really curious to see how this would fall out in 6/8.

Any takers?

1,985

(20 replies, posted in Acoustic)

Singing is 99% confidence, and 1% talent.  And I'd fudge the talent a bit.   big_smile

To sing and suck less (always my goal) I work on moving as much air through my voice box as I can.  When you're singing in the car, sing loud and proud.   Find yourself a quiet spot away from the public, and do the same thing.

Eventually, you'll come to understand how you sound when you sing, and you'll get more comfortable with it.

1,986

(16 replies, posted in Songwriting)

I get the intent, and you're right.  Those that delight in war are generally those that don't have to fight in it.

Again, great song.

1,987

(19 replies, posted in Songwriting)

Once we have a finished recording, I'll post it up here.  All four tracks will end up on our website, too.

1,988

(25 replies, posted in Recording)

Russell_Harding wrote:

Thats ok you aint that good looking anyway lol things are a little looser here, im more interested in recording and original music and this concept of producing songs for members may take a while to take hold but at least the structure is in place and the idea has worked on several projects already so im optimistic and look for a good new year we only lack participation from other members and this squabble going on is not helping matters it would make a good song "the poets rebellion" I think I will compose some music for it smile

I'd like to help with that.  smile

People need to relax a bit, ya think?

Your music training will help you.  You already know how to practice and rehearse, so that's a bonus, too.

I think Zurf nailed it pretty well.   Learn the scales, and study the fretboard.  Once you understand what is going on there, you'll probably pick it up fairly quickly.

1,990

(35 replies, posted in Guitars and accessories)

I would never just order one.  It is absolutely worth every minute of your time to go and play an instrument before you buy it.   Even guitars of the same make and model will play differently from one run to the next.  This is particularly true of cheaper production guitars made overseas, which is what you will get in your price range.

Go play them, and then you'll know where to spend your money.

1,991

(25 replies, posted in Recording)

I just don't want anyone thinkin' you have a girlie calendar hanging in your rehearsal space.  big_smile

1,992

(16 replies, posted in Songwriting)

Great work. 

If I had one criticism, it would be with the commentary...

"...men have always delighted in killing each other. "

It should be noted that most soldiers take no pleasure in their work.

1,993

(25 replies, posted in Recording)

Ah crap.  I think I hit the edit button rather than the quote button, and accidently squashed your response, Russell.

My bad!  Please don't banninate me!

1,994

(25 replies, posted in Recording)

Russell_Harding wrote:

Jerome Im looking forward to hearing the rest of your recording that I listended to when you gonna have it up someplace? what I did hear of it was a nice groove so let us know when its ready smile "THUNDERSTICK" (i like the sound of that) lol

The one I sent you we aren't actually doing yet.  That was just a working bit we are still trying to get a proper arrangement for.  Everyone loves it, except the guy that wrote it, oddly enough, so he gets final say on how it goes.   He wants to play the banjo over that lick, which means someone else has to play the finger picking part on the guitar.

1,995

(77 replies, posted in Chordie's Chat Corner)

Zurf wrote:

I'm still learning to play.  However, I have progressed from a free guitar to another free guitar.  Free is my favorite brand.  One day perhaps I will buy one. 

- Zurf

Truth.

There is nothing better than a cheap guitar that sounds great.

My 1st was an Anno-Hoffner nylon stringed classic that was given to me as a gift.  Beautiful instrument.   I now own several more of various types.

1,996

(20 replies, posted in Chordie's Chat Corner)

Everybody has to eat, babe!  Don't feel bad.  You can make up for you evil ways by helping the forces of good by promoting solid, independent radio.   tongue

Here's the two stations that I mentioned before.

KGSR in Austin, TX -  http://www.kgsr.com/
KEXP in Seattle, WA - http://www.kexp.org/

1,997

(25 replies, posted in Recording)

Yours is a Fender P bass.  Mine is a MusicMan Stingray.   Both are excellent instruments. 

The Stingray is the loudest, most obnoxious bass you've ever heard.  We refer to it as THUNDERSTICK!!!   

I loves me some active pickups.

1,998

(6 replies, posted in Acoustic)

I always remember that treble starts on E, and bass starts on G.

The clefs themselves are the G and F clefs, respectively.   You can also remember that because the two dots on the bass clef brace the F, and the little loop on the treble circles the G.

1,999

(49 replies, posted in Electric)

The best guitar is whatever guitar I happen to be playing right then and there.

I own the Epiphone Dot (The ES335 knockoff) and it's a great instrument.   Archtop guitars make me all sweaty.

2,000

(25 replies, posted in Recording)

Bass porn!  Woot!

Nice axe you got there, Russell.


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