Topic: Fingernails on your picking hand

It ain't easy to have fingernails when you're a truck driver. I have learned to do all potentially fingernail breaking tasks with my left hand. (I drive a petrol tanker and I used to break my right index finger nail just when it had grown to a good length just by pressing the dead man button on the loading rig. No nails on left hand so that's another problem fixed.)


With regular filing and lifestyle changes I've been able to keep the nail breakage to a minimum but they do wear out at the corners, the more I play the more worn and rounded the edges become.


Does anyone have any tips for treatments, diets, regimes atc. that improve fingernail durability?

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DW,


From my learning, I found that it's not a good idea to use your fingernails for fingerpicking.  You should always use the fleshy part of your fingertips instead. 


However, if you like a louder sound, get yourself some slip-on thumb and finger picks! Personally, I like using my fingertips and can't stand using my nails for picking. 


Just my $.02 worth.


Kahuna

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I think you're probably right. i started out like that before I grew my nails and the big advantage of it is that it's consistent. You kind of get callouses too, which helps the sound, right? With nails you get a nice sound but when you break one your finger has to get used to the different string position to play with the pad.


I tried those banjo player type fingerpicks and they freaked me out. i reckon I should maybe try again. Have you seen those rubbery plastic ones that fit on the other way up and actually work like prosthetic nails? you use those and a regular thumb pick. I've seen them in a shop but of course I'd have to buy a set to see if I like them because it's going to take my hand a while to get used to the string position when I'm wearing them.


Anyone tried these picks?

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Sure have. I am a banjo player and used to use them on the guitar on occasion. They are really hard to get used to but after a few weeks they start to feel ok. But it will take a few weeks to adjust properly. I have since mastered the nail thingo and now have good nails on my right hand which seem to be better on the guitar than the banjo. guitars need the dynamics that only nails can give you. also with nals...the main one you will break is the index finger. when you do, grab a pick and go chicken pickin' till it grows back or just use the others and build up dexterity in the lesser used fingers until you don't mind missing a nail because you can just fill in with your pinky.

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Cheers. I think I'll try those cylindrical prosthetic fingernail types. You're right though. It'd sure be good to learn to use my pinky.

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oh..one more thing....sorry guys..nails are the only way to go. The only people who claim the fleshy pads are better have seriously never had nails of suitable length or strength to play with well. Dont listen to them..and from what u posted it seems you know how important they are. just wear some soft leather gloves when you are working and it will save you a few breakages. pain in the arse i know but picking guitar is more important than work anyway.

Gaz. Not wanting to piss of pad players. Just that bad advice is bad advice and that is some.

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Well, I've just got home from the pub so this is probably b*ll*cks but I am actually a bit of a finger nail fan and I've put in some real hard work over the last year to get my nails as good as they are now:


I started out playing the ukelele. The uke sounds totally awful when strummed with a pick. The *only* way to make it sound good is to strum with the nail on the downstroke and the finger pad on the upstroke. Because of this, coupled with my obsessive 30 hours per week practice regime, I wore the nail on my right index finger (The one you use to strum a uke) paper thin right up to the root. 1 year of extreme care later I now have a strong index finger nail.


It still wears at the corner though, when picking steel strings on a gee tar. Anyone have any tips to help it last longer?


I did play a lot of finger style uke and guitar using finger pads on the way to where I am now as the only way of alowing my right index fingernail to recuperate. I love it when all my nails are good at the same time. It is better than pads. If only I could make them stronger... (Work doesn't break them. Playing wears them out!)

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one sweet solution is to find a nice nail girl and pay her to put a sort of 2 pack coating on them that is super hard. once you start you have to keep going back to get the grow out filled in but they are pretty good and she can really shape your nails just how you like them. I gotta say that getting a nice young hottie to do it makes the pain of paying a lot eaesier to bear as well. and if u can wangle it u can claim it as a deduction on your tax. But also beware that they dont break anymore..they just tear out if they are caught up on something. the first time you catch it and feel the nail start to rip away  when it would normally just break is pretty frightening. Best of all when you bump into the nail girl out at the pub she can introduce you to all her friends (who are all impressed by good nails I might add) who think u r some great muso. Works well.

Gary

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These picks are basically replacement nails - they fit on the nail side of your fingers.  Haven't used them myself, but they might be worth a try if your nails just don't have the hardness you want.


<a href="http://elderly.com/accessories/items/PK40B.htm" target="_blank">http://elderly.com/accessories/items/PK40B.htm</a>


I'm lucky to have hard-as-nails nails . . . James

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They look good those picks. They're the type I was talking about but the ones I've seen are rubbery plastic.


When i was rtying to repair my nail I used a stick on acrylic nail. It worked OK but made the nail underneath worse every time it fell off as it took a bit of nail with it.


I've thought about the nail job route too. Gary, do you know the proprietary name of the treatment used on your nails?


Cheers,


D.

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I just read through this thread,and I've tried the slip on nail picks. I would have to say using your own nails or pads is the only way to go. anything else and you can't feel the strings when you pick.(VERY IMPORTANT).

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Hi,

Learned and played for years using nails for finger picking and even strumming. Never could get on with a pick or other devises for picking. The thing is I lost my thumbnail in a accident at work and it was like almost being a novice again. I use some false harmonics in some pieces and these I found impossible to play without my nail  <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_cry.gif" border=0 alt="Crying or Very Sad"> It's taken six months for a new nail to grow back and I can't wait till it's good enough to use again. I suppose It's the old adage that you don't know what you got to it's gone.


Ark

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I'm filtering through the past posts again and found another topic I feel strongly about.  I grow my nails on my picking hand.  Yes, this looks weird but the effect on the guitar for me is greater control and sensitivity.  Normally, I'm what you would call a hybrid picker, but when I put that pick down, its all nails for me. Unless I break one,  then I'll slip on one or two of those old National metal finger picks.  These have a completely different sound and must be practiced with regularly to be consistent.  There are many compromises we make to play this instrument.  Fortunately there are many choices to help us through.

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Years ago I started going to a Nail Salon and have acrylic nails done on the first three fingers of my right hand...then I keep them dressed pretty short so that I can pick with the nail or the finger pad depending on desired sound. Then I usually use a thumb pick for my thumb...

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I'm no authority on this subject by any means, but I will say that there's something about the sound of the guitar played with your fingers and nails that just can't be duplicated with any plastic/metal pick that I've found. I try to use my nails very carefully, because I'm a girl and I'm just vain that way, but for downstrokes it has such a cool thumpy sort of sound. The beats easier to get for me too, if I can feel the strings.
But thats just my opinion! Hope you find a way to make it work for you,
Hannah

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Interesting thread!

Actual History: I have in one of my Classical Guitar books a picture of a fight that took place between Nailers and Pads, each saying their way was the best - the fight took place in the 18th or 19th Century!

As far as Classical Guitar (being the route that takes you through exams and grades) is concerned, both ways are acceptable and is a case of personal preferance.

My Tuppence Worth: If you're not going to use fingernails or aids - carry on and enjoy!

....if you are: I found fingernails far superior to any aid that emulates what a fingernail does. If these aids work for you great, but I don't like how they feel nor how they make the strings sound.

NAILCARE: Eat a cube of raw jelly morning and night - your choice of flavour. The gelatine provides the nutrients that nails and hair need to grow strong/long.

Buff your nails against each other - this tells your body to produce more kerratin. Also scrubbing/nail brushes do a good job. This makes your nails grow quicker and stronger.

False, Glued-On nails work. They are a good substitute for broken nails and for those whose jobs make keeping long fingernails hard/impossible.

Unless you are femle or the type of person whose appearance says "Mess with me at your peril," you will probably get stick about long fingernails. Gets the brain in gear for some witty responses AND you will remain safe in the knowledge that these P***-takers would never try to play guitar and are jealous at what you're able to do.

With nails - cool without nails - cool

It's your choice cool

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Chet Atkins...who played Electric, acoustic, and Classical guitars could get just about any sound obtainable from an instrument by using a thumbpick and acrylic covered nails...he would sometimes (rarely) use a flat pick...  Ditto for Jerry Reed and Brent Mason...

Middleaged Redneck sorta guy who refuses to grow up...passion for music, especially Southern Rock but like bout everything cept Gangsta/Hip Hop. Collect guitars, mandolins, and love to ride Harleys.

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The "old" standard used to be to play with nails on classical (nylon strung) guitars and pads on steel.  The thinking being that steel would cut into and shred your nails.  I do both on both, but am blessed (?) with tough fast growing claws.  My other half gives me grief when I'm grinding away on mine and she's whimpering about always having to trim off her torn and chipped edges.

Tried the Alaska picks for awhile, but didn't feel the strings as well, better than metal for sure!  Acrylics are good for repairs and getting by until a damaged nail grows out, but prolonged use will do serious damage to the nail and the nail bed by depriving it of moisture and air. If you've seen a horse with hoof rot.... something like that.

Take Care;
Doug

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I prefer to use nails, but if they get too long they tend to break, so I trim them regularly. Found an old "how to play guitar" book by John Pearse (quite a famous old folkie I think) - he talks about sticking single layers of tissue (kleenex) to the nails with nail varnish, building up the layers over time. Then when it gets too thick you strip it all off & start again. Sounds like a lot of mess & hassle, but if you gig a lot it may be worthwhile. If anyone needs more details I will dig out the book & quote or paraphrase the whole thing.

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Thats great that you found the John Pearse book.  Do a google search for him.  I own several of his products and love his guitar arm rests.  I have three.  Sorry that this is a shade off topic but this guy deserves more attention than he gets.

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Hi tandm3 - couldn't think what a guitar arm rest might be, but thanks to google, I now know! Would be interested to try one out. I also know more about JP himself, also very interesting.
The book I have is "Single string melody method for folk guitar" - will get round to learning some of it one day!
Cheers!

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Simon & Patrick Pro Flamed Maple (mmm, nice...)
Norman ST68 acoustic

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Normtheguitar,   I'm still off topic but the guitar armrest really does make a sonic difference to me.  Elderly Musical Instruments and probably some other sites,  offer printable full sized templates for these arm rests that you can print, cut out and then match to the curves of your guitars.   I have an original plastic one on my 1988 Yairi, and two ebony ones on my Rogue resonator and Godin 5th ave Kingpin.  I like the feel, the look and the improvement of sound after installation.  These are a great addition to almost any guitar and the expense is really not that much.  They are easily attached and cause no damage to your finish.

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My last guitar teacher had really wide long nails and he sounded great when he played.  I've tried long nails and finger pads and I prefer my sound with my pads.  However I tend to use ulta light strings and they sound twangy when i let my nails grow long.

One thing to try though is folic acid.  My wife took it befoer she had our kids and her hair and nails grew faster and stronger.

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As a flatpicker, I won't get into this debate - except to say that I remember John Pearse's programme about playing the guitar. I had forgotten all about it. Pearse and, of all people, Val Doonican ( who was a guitar nutcase - maybe still is ) both pointed my way to the guitar.

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