I'm still trying to puzzle out what makes Punk different from Metal. Same hi-gain guitar sound, same no brainer four on the floor beat... and yet you instantly know which is which.
527 2007-06-09 14:12:55
Re: My Guitar (6 replies, posted in Acoustic)
There was a brand of guitar called Atom but it's logo was a big A. Could your mystery guitar be an Ovation perhaps?
More clues needed scooby!
528 2007-06-09 14:01:10
Re: hammer on (3 replies, posted in Electric)
Yep, hammer-ons don't sound that impressive on an acoustic or a rhythmn electric guitar setup. You need a real loud amp setting - where every brush of the strings makes for screaming distortion noise, then hammer-ons have all the impact of a strum
529 2007-06-09 13:54:03
Re: strumming tips please (20 replies, posted in Electric)
OK here's a challenge, John Lennon's version of 'Stand By Me', easy chord but the strum is know as Calypso. It goes down up slap, yep slap the body of the guitar (gently) to get the offbeat. I still find this hard partly because I also love the original which has a subtley different beat built around the bassline but John Lennon's version is all strum.
530 2007-06-09 13:41:33
Re: Frankenstein (6 replies, posted in Electric)
The cheeky answer to this is to watch dealers as these replica editions are often discounted, you could pick it up for a mere $14,000!
However here's the nitty gritty from Harmony Central;
"The guitar that appears on the cover of Van Halen was Eddie's first "super guitar." He bought a factory-second guitar body for $50 and a neck for $80, made in 1975. This new guitar body came pre-routed for three single-coil pickups, so Van Halen took up a chisel and soldering iron to install a fat-sounding humbucking pickup from an older semi-hollow body guitar, rotating it slightly to accommodate the wider string spacing of the original Fender bridge.
In an unintentional stroke of genius borne out of necessity, Eddie conceived of the idea of dipping the humbucking pickup into an empty Yuban coffee can full of molten paraffin wax to reduce feedback once the wax cooled and solidified, a technique now known as "potting" a pickup. He also adjusted the vibrato bridge plate to lie flat against the body, preventing upward bends while increasing tuning stability. Also to his preference, the unfinished neck was wider and flatter; Eddie also replaced the original frets with larger fret wire.
It was this guitar body that first received the distinctive and soon-to-be-iconic striped paint job; Van Halen sprayed it with black and white Schwinn® acrylic lacquer bicycle paint. He cut out and mounted his own homemade black pickguard, covering the neck and middle pickup routings, and installed a single master volume knob (although the knob itself, famously, was a "Tone" knob), brass nut and an original Fender tremolo tailpiece.
Although it didn't take long to build, and although the whole shebang cost him less than $150, this was the guitar that would change the world. It became Van Halen's main instrument for the first several albums and tours, and he soon striped it one last time and added a top coat of red; with the addition of orange and red truck reflectors, Eddie was now complete in creating one of the most iconic guitars in rock 'n' roll history.
During Van Halen's second world tour, he replaced the original tremolo with an odd device—a prototype locking tremolo system built by Seattle designer Floyd Rose. To fill the gap between the top surface of the guitar body and the bottom side of the tremolo plate, Eddie's modest-but-efficient solution was to permanently mount a quarter under the unit's top-back side. A succession of replacement necks all maintained the use of Schaller® tuners after Van Halen broke the original neck."
"The maple fingerboard has a 12" to 16" compound radius, with 21 Dunlop® 6100 jumbo frets. The guitar features a Seymour Duncan® Custom Shop EVH® humbucking pickup, with a single master volume knob (that says "Tone") mounted on a single-ply partial black pickguard, identical to the original. Other features include Schaller® tuners, aged chrome hardware, and a limited edition, fully "relic-ed" EVH® road case. Leaving no stone unturned, the guitar is complete with a non-functional three-way switch and single-coil pickup that occupy two of the three pickup routs."
But wait, Eddie also tinkered with his amps and his sound has been emulated by amp modellers. For instance my Behringer Vamp2 has a model called 'Custom Hi-Gain' based on the 1969 50w Marshall Plexi modified by Jose Arrendondo for Van Halen, I think Marshall still have an amp in their range that comes close to this custom vintage amp.
The Edge's sound comes from the clean Vox AC30 amplifier and yet again the Vamp2 has several presets that allow you instant access to a U2 sound.
However to truly emulate your hero I guess you need to get into scratch building guitars and see what results. Bootlegger & guitardocphil should be able to give tips on hot-rodding etc.
531 2007-06-08 20:21:43
Re: Overdrive/Distortion/Etc... (3 replies, posted in Electric)
Time to tweak the gain (eq?) down a bit until it suits the pace of the song, you shouldn't be letting the amount of distrotion determine how you play. One of the tricky things with modern rock is that in concert each song may have a different set of effects and amp settings. Top players may work through their pedal board changing the sound for each song or even switching to a more distorted sound for the chorus or the solo. Hard to do on a basic amp.
On the other hand that amp has everything you need to know about cooking up a good sound. The gizmos just make it easier to hit a pedal and get what you want on tap (even then there's plenty of setup required).
532 2007-06-07 14:54:56
Re: nothing in particular, but...................... (1 replies, posted in Electric)
First off, turn the volume and tone controls on the guitar up to full and adjust amp volume to reasonable level. Make the same chords you did on the acoustic, do they sound clangy (surf or garage punk style) or do they distort a bit? Set the tone control on the amp to mid if you want a rock sound.
Does the amp have a gain control or an overdrive button? You may find pushing the button in makes the gain control live, set it low then tweak up a bit. Do you get a fuzzy raunchy sound now? Still not happy? Try dropping the tone control on the guitar down and roll off the volume control on the guitar, raise the amp volume to compensate. You should be rockin' now... Let us know how it goes...
533 2007-06-06 09:28:00
Re: Do you need to sing to play guitar ? (17 replies, posted in Acoustic)
Great advice JC. Singing can help you get the timing to some songs and certainly can help you work things out like where a song pauses or where a chord is filling, to allow a singer to breath. It also helps to be able to sing a little for backing. For instance the Elvis song 'Return To Sender'. If you kill the strings right before 'she wrote upon it' the song becomes far more dynamic, suddenly it isn't strumming all the way through and even if you're just growling 'she wrote upon it' that's part of the effect, sort of spoken. Johnny Cash got a long way with semi-spoken singing.
534 2007-06-06 09:18:18
Re: Folk and Rock (4 replies, posted in Acoustic)
Look for pop/rock songs with rundowns or places you can introduce them, eg. G->Em and C->Am.
535 2007-06-06 09:13:21
Re: amp question.. (28 replies, posted in Electric)
I suspect by 'hotter' we mean dynamic controlled distortion, the edge the amp puts on a clean signal and how it responds to the intensity of playing. For some people they may just want a little snarl but for other's they want a full-blown screaming wall of noise; and everything inbetween. Mokes for folks.
536 2007-06-05 13:59:31
Re: Simpleton Solos (5 replies, posted in Electric)
:0 Whoops, yep you're right, sorry, doing that from memory at the end of the day.
537 2007-06-04 14:55:19
Topic: Simpleton Solos (5 replies, posted in Electric)
Ok here's the Em pentatonic scale;
E-------------------------5-8-------
B---------------------5-8-----------
G---------------5-7-----------------
D-----------5-7---------------------
A-----5-7---------------------------
E-5-8-------------------------------
Let's look at it a different way;
E--5--------------------8-----------
B--5--------------------8-----------
G--5--------------7-----------------
D--5--------------7------------------
A--5--------------7------------------
E--5--------------------8------------
Notice that centre portion;
G--5--------------7
D--5--------------7
A--5--------------7
Looks like a box, huh? These also happen to be the strings that sound most compelling with a touch of distortion. Walking back and forth around this part of the scale can sound dynamic.
So you've got up to the G string where do you go? That 8th fret is a bit of a reach. Well try a slide up to it on the B and thin E string together.
E--5 ----Neearghush!---> 8
B--5 ----Neearghush!---> 8
Where next? Well you're way up high, so why not drop back way down low. The thick (bass) string tends to sound boomy on most amps anyway so only use it as a slide down into the basement;
E--5 <---bowangadung!---- 8
Then you're ready to climb the stairs again...
The great thing is this pattern recurrs in Key of A songs, in Key of G songs it's back at third fret and Key of B songs it's one forward at sixth fret. There's more to it but this is starter-ville ![]()
538 2007-06-04 14:23:24
Re: amp question.. (28 replies, posted in Electric)
I've certainly found the amp reviews at Harmony Central are of the 'connoiseurs with unlimited budget' variety. My own little amp got rubbish review there. Yet because I annoyed the shop thoroughly by trying out every amp that was vaguely portable with my guitar I know that it sounds as good if not better than amps costing 4 times as much, at least to my humble ears.
It all depends on what you want from an amp. Fender tend to be mild-mannered giving clean sounds that are right for blues and country, you _can_ get them to growl just a bit but not much. Marshall on the other hand tend to be built with high-gain (distortion) in mind, making them for decades the choice of rock and metal bands. I'd hazard a guess that the reviewer at Ultimate Guitar want to shred and thrash.
Keep on trying amps out you'll learn far more than reviews can tell.
539 2007-06-04 10:11:48
Re: beginner, i really need your help guys! (13 replies, posted in Acoustic)
The position you hold the guitar in depends on the moves you are making with your left hand. You often see classical players with the guitar neck up close and high. This isn't so they can see the fretboard but to give them more stretch. Alot of the poses Chuck Berry strikes aren't just showmanship but so he can stretch for double stops over 5 frets.
The low down rock guitar stance comes when songs have been made easier by using open G and so on but what may look like showing off, raising the neck, may be to allow strings to be reached. Also with electric weight is a factor, even when sitting down, I find myself moving from foot to foot to keep my back happy and suddenly realise I'm doing the rock guitarist dinosaur walk thing!
540 2007-06-04 09:35:24
Re: help (3 replies, posted in Electric)
AC/DC's 'You shook me all night long' is a good starter piece as it is based around a G C D break. You can play this with standard open chords or introduce a folk G Dsus2 feel. It sounds good on acoustic even. There's lots more to it, I suspect AC/DC use powerchords and all sorts to make it come alive but the basics are just fine.
Is that modern enough?
541 2007-06-04 09:00:26
Re: beginner, i really need your help guys! (13 replies, posted in Acoustic)
First off it's flamenco not flamingo
Flamenco playing is not based around strums or picks it uses strong finger back-strokes called (I'm going to have to spell this as it sounds as I've never seen the Spanish word) 'rapswadoes'. You bunch up a fist over the sound hole the let out each finger in turn letting it rake over the strings. Do this explosively enough and it sounds great but it's a total hand killer. Flamenco school is made up with hours of practising this technique but it takes years before you'll convince a master.
Classical players play a loose finger style, although passages may repeat their music is not composed of standard picking patterns or strums, nearest you might get to a classical motif is the arpeggio. Classical doesn't give you much to hold on to as a beginner. It's you full blown sheet music and the fretboard - daunting.
Pop comes out of the western folk tradition and likes to use open chords and strums, simple pick patterns and rundowns. These are very appropriate for the beginner.
542 2007-06-03 10:37:03
Re: Licks (2 replies, posted in Electric)
Getting the feel right is the hard bit John. You'll often find a lick are selected notes from a scale that sound dynamic together. So if you look at my post for 'Got To Hurry' you'll see the initial 5 note lick is selected notes from the Am pentatonic 'blues box' scale. Then the lick is played one down and then played back on the neck to correspond with a chord progression. I'm still struggling to get the bouncy, driving, fun feel Clapton got with the Yardbirds, my version sounds leaden.
When you're doing your scales try stopping in the middle and repeat the last 2 or 3 notes, try to build up a musical sounding repetition, trios of notes (triplets) are often very effective. Listen to them and see if they sound like words or phrases or shouts, try and play them with expression to make them cry or moan. You should now be breaking out of simply walking through scales into solo playing. A real good player (like my tutor) can take a song they don't really know and build up a basic lick out of portions of the scale. So say the song's 'Sweet Home Chicago' (was practising this alot myself yesterday) then the expert player would pull out a lick, a portion of the scale, that echoes the melody 'sweet home' or 'chicago' or maybe 'baby do you wanna go' etc.
There's a site called Action Tab which uses animated run throughs to show classic song runs but these are particular to the big hits illustrated. A lick is more a monkey wrench it can be applied to a number of songs and still work, some lead guitarists just play the same lick for a whole set but their skill is in making it sound different and appropriate to each song.
543 2007-06-02 20:02:49
Re: Can any one give finger practice for beginners?? (6 replies, posted in Electric)
Scales, schmales... first off have you got open chords OK? Have you got barre chords and rhythmn playing? How about double stops?
OK now invest time in the Em pentatonic scales particularly the portion based around the fifth and seventh frets. If you can walk your fingers up and down you are getting there. Then look to learn licks like 'Got To Hurry', getting these fast and fun sounding is real hard.
Don't get fixated on scales, they're good but you don't need them all.
544 2007-06-02 16:32:05
Topic: JamTrax: Blues (1 replies, posted in Electric)
Been running through Ralph Argesta's book on soloing and found a neat way to practise.
Set the CD running, the first two backing tracks (E and A) repeat 8 times. The first time I play rhythmn with open chords, then second time through I switch to barre chords; both times concentrating on good thwakity twang strumming. The third time I introduce rythmic double-stops and mix them with barre shapes. By this point I'm in the mood for the free-form soloing and try and shift from say the A7 barre which is all 5th and 7th shape into the basic blues box. Then it's a matter of mixing 5 7 5 7 runs with pairs at 5th and 8th fret on the two thinnest strings. Finally I'm practising getting back to rythmn, coming out the 'solo' and back into strict tempo.
My top tip is if you fluff a note then make yourself bend it. That way people will think you're just getting jazzy, pushing the envelope - well I hope it's a safety net habit!
545 2007-06-01 12:48:41
Re: fender and gibson why (5 replies, posted in Electric)
And yet on Led Zeppelin I and IV Jimmy Page almost exclusively used a Fender Telecaster. Electric guitar voices are not as distinctive as you might think (hmm... idea for web page quiz, 'Name That Axe') particularly when overdriven and tweaked with effects. In a sense Fender and Gibson's sound is very similar it's instruments like Gretsch Falcons or Epiphone Casinos that have a truly distinctive tone. Likewise the Telecaster and Stratocaster could be from different planets, but both are Fender. To me if you're trying to emulate a sound (like say a tribute band) then go for the 'signature' instrument but if you want your own sound then you'll get it from pedals/amp etc given a reasonable axe (like wasn't Copeland playing a Strat in the Police Reunion sound-check/rehearsal not the hot-rod Telecaster he has just allowed Fender to recreate as a replica).
546 2007-06-01 12:36:50
Re: amp question.. (28 replies, posted in Electric)
Line 6 make the POD which is currently on the 2.0 and XT version. Behringer make the Vamp2 which is what I have. I understand what you are saying about ice-cream flavours. I'm sorta helped by the fact that most of the presets are for metal which isn't my thing. I tend to stick to a 3 or 4 basic workable presets but I can see there's a danger of getting tone-twiddling-itis.
547 2007-05-31 11:49:40
Re: amplifier for acoustic guitars (5 replies, posted in Acoustic)
#2: can these amps also be used for an electric guitar
Yes and No. Acoustic amps have a wider flatter tonal range, electric guitars will do them no harm but you won't get the raunchy dirty sound that an electric amp gives. Electric guitar amplifiers are primitive unrefined beasts with big heavy cones and electrics that boost the mid-range. The rock sound comes from the amp.
. #3: can I play my acoustic-electric on these amps and have the same kind of effects you can do with electric guitars, like make it almost sound like metal rock sound?
Yes and No. You can apply effects to the acoustic signal, commonly used ones are chorus and reverb which warm up your sound. You can also add rock distortion pedals and get a racket but this is not a good way to learn rock guitar. Acoustic guitars put out alot of treble transients. By the time you have spent money on lots of effects gear you could have bought a decent electric guitar and be getting the rock sound straight away.
Actually there's more to it. You can get decent blues and rock sounds from an electric practise amp but it takes twiddling. Virtual amps like Behringers Vamp2 and Line6's Pod2 give it to you on a plate. Plug in, put on headphones and jab the preselect of your choice. This makes for good practise, I jab 17C on my Vamp2 and I get 'Tele Twang', it's a clean honky tonk bar sound, I jab 15B and I get 'Breakin Blues' a useable distorted early Clapton sound, I jab 18C and holy moley!!! 'Westminster Abbey Rock' a huge, crazy, gargantuan stack that blows your socks off (and it's only on my phones, thank goodness).
548 2007-05-31 11:17:29
Re: BEGINNING (7 replies, posted in Acoustic)
As a beginner look to just do a basic down up down up rhythmn at first, concentrate on getting the chord changes right. Then as you progress you'll find you start to naturally vary the rythmn making some strokes stronger or lighter, like DOWN up down up. That'll give you an empthatic 1 beat which works on a few songs etc.
Beware players who hand out rythmns like they are magic keys to playing. There are some rhythmns that are really ear-catching but if you use them for every song your playing will lack variety. Hence some players who sound great but everything they do is the same kind of great.
549 2007-05-31 11:05:49
Re: ive been playin for 4 months and i have some questions... (5 replies, posted in Electric)
Marcella by the Beach Boys - A D Bm A7 G F C E7 Am7
Red Rubber Ball - Paul Simon/The Seekers
Mrs Robinson by Simon & Garfunkel
Suspicious Minds - Elvis Presley (also tempo changes)
550 2007-05-31 11:01:55
Re: how many guitarplayers play acoustic, how many electric (30 replies, posted in Chordie's Chat Corner)
50/50