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(11 replies, posted in Chordie's Chat Corner)

Doc, 

It's easy to tell the difference between Michael Jackson and Janet Jackson.  Janet is more masculine.

- Zurf

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(44 replies, posted in Acoustic)

I'd think any kind of strummy Eagles song would work. 

Wild Rover - I am very eager to try this on my buddy's twelve string!

Also any kind of strummy Bob Dylan would work probably.  Maybe try Tangled Up in Blue.  I bet the jangliness of a twelve would sound pretty good.

Have fun and good luck.

- Zurf

I played bass first.  Bass and guitar are very different.  I find it more difficult to play a good solid bass line and make it sound OK than it is to strum or pick a pattern over a set of chords and make it sound OK.  But that's just me.  Your mileage may vary. 

When you play guitar, you are playing in support of the lyrics and voice.  Usually, you emphasize the chords when you emphasize voice and vice versa.  Sometimes you add in a little fill, but mostly guitar and voice work together.

With bass, you are often playing a counterpointed rhythm and working fills.  You MUST maintain a rock steady beat.  Mess up timing with guitar and it's jazz.  Mess up timing with bass and it's wrong. 

So, while you are playing few notes at a time with bass, bass requires a very different mindset to play it well. 

I find it completely natural to sing and play guitar.  I cannot sing while playing bass to save myself. 

When playing chords on a guitar, you are often working shapes with muscle memory on your fingers.  You CAN play chords on bass, but usually it's two notes of the chord at once or arpeggios.  You've got to know your relative positions well.  It's possible to play guitar without knowing where the second of the root, or the fifth of the root is so long as you know what shape to put your fingers in.  With bass, you better know where the second or the fifth is.  In fact, it helps to know where two or three seconds or fifths (or thirds or fourths or sevenths) are.  You have to remember which notes to flat when playing minor chords, etc.

None of this is to say it's harder or easier to play bass, but it IS different. 

I found learning guitar easier because of the (limited) theory and scale work I've done on bass.  I tried playing guitar many times before, but after having worked theory and scale exercises to play my bass better, and THEN trying guitar, I found it pretty easy.  So there is definitely some overlap.

Hope that's not too long-winded and contradictory.

- Zurf

All tabs are right.  You just might prefer to play the song a different right way. 

- Zurf

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(16 replies, posted in Chordie's Chat Corner)

Oldnewbie wrote:

Nice trout, Zurf!

Thanks. Had five of them that size that day.  Plus I lost count of how many I had that were just a couple inches shorter.  At least a dozen.  Good day on the river with an excellent guide. 

- Zurf

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(26 replies, posted in Chordie's Chat Corner)

Dirty Ed - Because I like drinking beer and sitting by campfires alongside rivers, which he is known to do a lot of

Jim Croce - Because I like drinking scotch and B.S.ing friends, which he was known to do a lot of

James McCormack, because of his stylin' do and wry humor

Livingston Taylor, because he likes to do almost covers of sissified 70's folk/pop too

Johnny Cash - Do I really need to explain?

- Zurf

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(16 replies, posted in Chordie's Chat Corner)

Nature did that to me.

http://picasaweb.google.com/HalfFastPad … 3482807970

- Zurf

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I don't hate much, but there are some things that I dislike rather much. 

Drug dealing. 

Institutional prejudice.

Cream of Wheat with no salt in it.

People who use other people without their knowing it.  I don't mind people using people, so long as the people being used are aware of what's going on.  I have permitted myself to be used by other people - every workday in fact - but I permit it because there's something worthwhile in it for me.  But it's the disingenuous users that annoy me.  The ones who present themselves as something they are not. 

Movies directed by Dennis Hopper.  I never caught the love, I guess. 

Flavored coffees.  Ugh. 

Diet caffiene free cola.  What's the point?

I'm not entirely sold on Charlotte's wife, either.   (jk)

The 1980's.  I'm going to toss the late 1970's in there too.  Pretty much any music released between Neil Young's "Hey, Hey, My, My" and the Black Crowes debut album was disco or disco-influence crap. 

Which brings me to the last thing.  The thing I dislike more than anything on the list, with the possible exception of Charlotte's wife, Disco.  (jk Charlotte, I really hope you have as good a sense of humor as it appears)

- Zurf

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(18 replies, posted in Acoustic)

Popdevil -

I can't give advice on the action as I don't have the foggiest about how to go about making that correction.

However, on changing the nut, probably not necessary.  BUT if you feel like it, you shouldn't worry about high end tires on a low end car.  Despite the mis-matched appearance, those tires still perform better than low-end tires.  So, if you like the sound of bone nuts, put on a bone nut.  I don't know that it makes much of a difference to me, but it's not my guitar now is it? 

But before the expense of changing the nut, something that you may like to do is play around with different string types, sizes, and such.  The strings make the biggest difference in sound and they're relatively inexpensive.  So, you get a lot of bang for the buck when trying out strings.  My two cents worth on it anyway. 

- Zurf

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I memorize songs one piece at a time.  I haven't memorized many, so my advice should be considered with a grain of salt.  Anyway, when I decide to go about memorizing a song, I do it lyrics first.  I listen to the song as a whole and get the feel of the story it's telling.  It helps that I like story songs.  Anyway, I get a general feel for the song.  What happens.  What happens next.  What twist of phrase is used to describe this, that, or the other.

Then I sing it from the start until I don't remember.  And then I TRY to remember.  If I remember something, then I look to see if I got it right.  If I don't remember something, I look to trip my memory.  This is based on the assumption that I'm going to forget at the same places each time, which is usually the truth with me. 

Anyway, once I get each verse memorized, singing along on the commute helps especially if I'm singing one line and thinking about what the next line is, I then memorize the choruses.  I like Jimmy Buffett songs, so the choruses often change a little bit over the course of the song.  I like that method of moving along the story of a song. 

Once I can sing the entire song from memory (there are about fifteen or twenty songs I can sing from memory) I learn the chords WHILE SINGING.  The important part to me is fitting the chords together with the lyrics.  That way, the lyrics trigger the chord movement and vice versa.  Each piece helps me to remember the other piece. 

Finally, I play it about sixty gazillion times while concentrating.  I usually keep the sheet music in front of me, but flipped over or covered by something.  That way I can look if I get stuck, but I can't use it as a crutch. 

Mostly, though.  I just prefer using the sheets as a crutch.  There are only four songs I can play from memory right now: Forever and Ever Amen, Tin Cup Chalice, Dead Skunk in the Middle of the Road, and Crocodile Rock.  If I have the sheets in front of me, there are a lot of other songs that I can muddle through just as you say - not really looking at the sheets but relying on them to jog my memory about what's coming up.  I mark up my sheets with notes, too. 

I hope that's helpful.  If not, blame Upyerkilt.  Apparantly the Scots have invented everything so it must be their fault.    big_smile

- Zurf

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(28 replies, posted in Chordie's Chat Corner)

upyerkilt wrote:

A Scot, John Napier, invented logarithms

So I've got the Scots to blame for my poor geometry grades...

You really should try partying with some of those Buckeyes.  They're a fun crowd.  Just keep your barnyard animals locked up when they're about.  (Buckeye is the term for folks from Ohio.  The folks in Ohio think that it refers to a kind of tree that grows very large all around the state, but most everyone else recognizes that it's talking about the fruit of the tree, which is a worthless nut.)  (Simmer down, Buckeyes.  I kid because I care.) 

- Zurf

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(5 replies, posted in Chordie's Chat Corner)

Moral of the story is "Keep your thumbs out of large animals." 

Not a real useful moral, but I think that's what it is.

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You'll get there.  Take it easy with yourself.  You NEVER stop learning guitar or music.  Last year I was at a campfire with some buddies and one of the guys there was new.  The old traditionals were playing guitar and swapping songs.  They invited me to play a couple songs, which I did, even after only eight months of playing and things were VERY rough  but they were kind.  One fellow was kind enough to say, "You stick with it D.  It's working out for you." 
But then the new fellow was asked to play a song.  He went into what I can only describe as rock and roll jazz metal acoustic riffs and licks and everyone, including the two fellows who have kept everyone entertained for years, sat slack jawed.  Then one of them got up and moved to the other side of the campfire.  He had been sitting next to the new guy.  Someone asked if he was jealous.  He said, "Heck no!  I just want to see how he's doing this!"  This was said by a fellow with three albums and immeasurable pub gigs to his name. 

Anyway, you're certainly in the hardest part of it.  Stick to your practice, especially the theory and scales.  I wish that I had stuck to them earlier on (I'm only into guitar a year and a quarter at this point).  Those who have have accelerated past me rapidly.  Russell Harding and Jerome ONeill are FANTASTIC theory coaches.  They are willing to share, and that makes this forum a better place.  Then there's other folks who are great with strumming and how to read tabs and all sorts of things.  The folks on this forum have helped me along in ways I find hard to fathom. 

Anyway, it's worthwhile.  Stick with it.  Take time at each breakthrough to stop and have a celebration moment.  If you're by yourself, what the heck high five yourself.  If you like, come on here and tell us.  Lots of folks just taking up guitar on the forum.  We can commiserate and share what we've learned and be a support net for one another. 

- Zurf

OldNewbie - Fishing, bourbon, guitar playing, and slowing down with age.  Sure you aren't me?  I think we can work something out here.  I'm going to e-mail you an invitation that will include guitar playing, bourbon drinking, and fishing all at once.  Well, maybe not at exactly the same time, but over the course of the same event. 

Doc - Sorry for hijacking the thread, but there's whiskey and fishing to be considered.  I hope you understand. 

Dguyton - Depends on where Central Flatland is.  OldNewbie lives just down the road from me a piece.  About 20 miles. 

- Zurf

Wild Turkey.  Yum. 

Since Jack Daniels went to 80 proof, I have been checking out other bourbons.  For years I was a JD fan.  When they went from 90 proof to 86 proof, I stuck with them.  When they went from 86 proof to 80 proof, I didn't see the point of continued loyalty.  So I've been trying some alternatives.  Jim Beam, not so much.  OK for mixing with ginger ale but not a sipping whiskey to me.  Wild Turkey is good.  Good either mixed or straight.  I tried the 101 proof and didn't care for it.  Too much kick, not enough flavor.  Anyway, good old-fashioned Wild Turkey has a strong flavor that stands up to mixers well.  I particularly like it with a little Coke (the drink, not the powder).  I tried Southern Comfort, which is really a whiskey based liquor (or however you spell lick-core).  Good on ice, but very, very sweet.  Then I found some Elijah Craig 12 year aged on sale and have a new favorite.  It's even 87 proof and less expensive than JD.  On ice, I prefer to put just a little tiny splash of ginger ale or lime juice or Triple Sec in it.   Very nice to sip on slllllloooooowwwwwwlllllllllyyyyyy.  It'll put a hurt on you if you go too fast and while some chordians seem to prefer that, I'm not in favor of it for myself. 

Burning stuff is good too.  We should do that in the Spring, which is getting awful close.  Beat some songs out on our flat-tops, sing loud, sip bourbon, and burn stuff.  Now that sounds like a party!

- Zurf

Intro to "Hanging Around" by Counting Crows.

I like bass riffs.  The bass riff that is the foundation of the Chuck Mangione song "Bellavia" is wonderful.  Simple, basic, straightforward, in-the-box riff that sets the tone for the song. 

The bass riffs in "Magic Bus" and "My Generation".

The bass riff in "You Can Call Me Al."  I still don't think it's possible to play that fast with that much distinction, but apparantly it must be.  Joseph Shamblala is incredible. 

Victor Wootten playing "Amazing Grace", hard to beat. 

Simple country riff on Johnny Cash's "Wreck of the Old 97".  It's so easy, but I still can't get it right.

- Zurf

When asked why Mexico has such poverty, President Fox replied, "A hundred years ago your country took the half of our country that had roads." 

- Zurf

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Russell - You are definitely one of the "what a ride" kind of guys. 

- Zurf

Am.  I have no reason for liking it.  I just do.

- Zurf

OldNewbie, I burned a book not long ago.  I was cleaning up my office at home and came across a college text book that I couldn't stand.  Horrible book.  Just seeing it made me remember how much I loathed the book.  So I used it for kindling and sipped on a bourbon while watching little bitty particles of it float up the chimney.  I made me feel warm inside.  Other than that, no I don't think we've having book burnings.  There was that goofiness with the Dixie Chicks wherein people burned their CDs and then later decided they liked the music and went out to buy replacements, but that wasn't the church influence that was run-of-the-mill kneejerk stupidity. 

- Zurf

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Russell - 

Thanks for bringing a smile to my face.  Great story.

- Zurf

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Drop enough picks in your guitar and it becomes a percussion instrument!

I drop fewer picks the longer I play.

When I do drop a pick, I just finish the song using fhe same picks that Roger Guppy uses.  Except I use my own.  It would be really freaky if I used his.  And a little more familiar than I care to get with another man. 

- Zurf

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(6 replies, posted in Acoustic)

You should sing what you know other people like hearing you play.  Plus you should play and sing what you enjoy playing and singing, because if it puts a smile on your face it will come through and put a smile on other people's faces too.

Some I like:

Peaceful Easy Feeling

Wreck of the Old 97

Boy Named Sue

Changes in Lattitudes, Changes in Attitudes
(but if you play that, someone will want Margaritaville as surely as night follows day)

Everybody's Talking

Walking Man (I can't play it right, but it's a good song that everyone knows, more or less everyone anyway)


Jim Croce cut his musical teeth in bars and cafe's so his music works real well in that environment.  Some upbeat favorites:

Rapid Roy the Stockcar Boy
Roller Derby Queen
Carwash Blues 
Don't Mess Around With Jim

My $0.02 worth, if even that.

- Zurf

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Adela, welcome and congratulations.

Barre chords are a matter of practice.  I think this is probably the single most discussed problem on this board.  We ALL have or had problems with barre chords.  I'm in the 'have' group. 

Here are some suggestions others have made that helped me.

1. Don't squeeze, but pull your barring finger down.  Squeezing too hard causes your hand to fatigue quickly.

2. Use good posture.

3. Place your left thumb just above the center of the neck and use it as a pivot point.

4.  Anticipate the chord.  Be thinking ahead of which chord is coming next and prepare yourself to play it. 

5. Put your wrist far forward. 

6. Use an exercise ball during the day to strengthen your fingers. 

These are some things that have helped me.  I still am poor at barre chords, but have gotten so that I can usually play F, F#m, and Bm without being too slow about it and without it sounding like completely dead strings.  It's really just a matter of practice, practice, practice. 

Best of luck to you.  I look forward to seeing your post when you say you worked a barre chord into a song and are all excited about it.

- Zurf

Like the song James. 

Old Doll's post reminds me of an old Italian saying, "Every possession is a burden." 

- Zurf