6,801

(24 replies, posted in Acoustic)

I don't know scales either.  Something I've got to learn.  You do need to learn CHORDS though.  If you can play arpeggios through chords, you can learn to walk a bass line.

- Zurf

6,802

(19 replies, posted in Acoustic)

I just played "Distantly in Love", which has a bridge that goes from F#m to G to F#m to G to F#m to G to E to A. 

And I played it INCLUDING THE F#m BARRE CHORD AND THE F SHAPED BARRE CHORD FORM OF G!!!

I may never be able to do it again, but I did it once by golly.  I'll work some songs with F and F#m in them into my mix to get more practice at using barre chords in songs so that I can shift to them and away from them more easily.  It is incredibly easier to play a barre chord on this folk guitar instead of the classical.  But I am having to strum it the right way holding the pick the right way, so that's been a challange to overcome that sloppiness in training.  I'd fire my teacher for letting me get away with it for so long but it's tough to fire myself. 

I am just SO STOKED right now.  Learning to do new stuff is COOL!!!

- Zurf

6,803

(24 replies, posted in Acoustic)

Something I may actually be able to help with!  I'm a bass player learning guitar, so putting together bass lines comes naturally to me. 

What I do, I'm not saying it's the right way or the only way, but what I do is always make sure on 1 to be on the root note and on 3 to either be on the root or the fifth of the chord.  In G, that means the first beat of the measure (in 4/4 time, which most rock, country, and pop songs are) you will start with a G.  On the third beat of the measure (same assumption) you'll either be playing a G or a D. 

Given that you know where you are with a G or a D, then all you have to do to make the bass line "walk" is to play some fill notes (also called passing notes) between the two notes.

So let's say you're playing in a chord progression that goes G to C to G to D, which is a real common one. 

The notes in the G chord are G, B, D (1, 3, 5).  The notes in the C chord are C, E, G.  The notes in the D chord are D, F#, A. 

If you're on a G and walking to C, you can use any common notes in scale and concentrate on common notes in the chord.  So in a bass line, I may go from G (root note on first beat - hold it a little extra or hit it a couple of times) to A (second beat continue shuffle rhythm from first beat) to D (third beat - note it's the fifth of the G chord so hit it hard) to C# (passing note) to C (First beat of next measure).  That'll be a little pop music going up to D to come down to C and will give you some tension on C# because it's not in C's or G's chord.  But you just play it for a moment passing between D and C.  Then walking back down from C to G, I'd go from C to B to A to G.  Then G to B to C to D.  I'm talking notes here, not chords.  The G note, not the G chord.  Just keep "walking" the scale, mix up your rhythm with a bit of a shuffle, and be sure to be on the root on the first beat (1) and the root or the fifth on the third beat (3).  The notes between are just in a flurry of notes and if you mess up call it tension and say it was jazz.  Bass players call this "playing in the box" and is an extremely popular technique in country, blues, folk, and rock.  Folk songs use a lot of sevenths in their walking lines.  Blues uses a lot of flatted thirds and flatted sevenths in their walking lines. 

I hope that served to help and not to confuse. 

- Zurf

6,804

(19 replies, posted in Chordie's Chat Corner)

Another statistics quote.  I heard it from my old boss, who held a doctorate in Statistics.  "A statistician is a person who will tell you that if you've got your head in an oven and your feet on a block of ice that you'll be fine." 

Some from my Pap-pap (that's hillbilly for paternal grandfather):
If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer.  (That one's in my signature block.  It may help to understand his meaning if you know that he was a stone mason.)

If it won't go, don't force it.

It's on your plate, eat it.  (This was not applied to dinner, but in overcoming adversity or accomplishing unpleasant obligations.) 

Walk it off.  (This one was literal, he walked anywhere that was less than five miles away.  He didn't think there were many problems in life that couldn't be solved with a good walk - and he was a man who knew problems and hardship.) 

Some from my gram (maternal grandmother):
There you have it.  (usually said just after an obvious conclusion to events.  Or rather obvious to everyone but the knucklehead who decided to do whatever stupid thing had the predictable poor result.)

Don't enumerate upon your juvenile poultry until the proper process has fully matriculated.

From a cartoon my Mom sent me when I earned an Economics degree:
"If you took all the economists in the world and laid them end to end, you still wouldn't reach a conclusion." 


- Zurf

Natho,

Welcome to Chordie.  That is a change in topic, and a good question.  You should start a new thread with a descriptive title so that people who can help you will see the question.

Doc,

Change them when you want.  If you are wondering whether they should be changed, they probably should.  There's no "when" to change them.  That's as personal as the style of playing you do.  I have a buddy who still has the original set of strings on his 20 year old guitar.  They sound dead, but he doesn't care.  He just likes playing it.  I have another friend who sweats a lot, has oily skin, and gigs regularly.  He can go through a set of strings in a couple of hours and has switched over to nano coated elixers to get at least a couple days from them. 

Up to you.  Do what you think it right. 

- Big D

6,806

(5 replies, posted in Acoustic)

EXACTLY!!!  My first Yamaha is the fretless bass.  I've been playing bass for quite a while, but just picked up guitar in the last year.  My guitar has been a hand-me-down Yamaha nylon string classical - sounds just like the one you had!  Decent sound for such a beat up looking guitar.  Easy to finger pick, but hard to practice barre chords and strumming. 

This new guitar is a work bonus (pretty sweet!) for a job well done.  Not even my boss, but a big-shot from another team that I helped out for a few months.  Anyway, I'm real pleased with it.  It's a low-end guitar, but it sounds as good as this basement hack/campfire picker needs.  I've got several friends who've had low-end Yamaha folk guitars for decades and they still sound nice.  Once I find some strings more suited to my taste for sound I'll be ecstatic.  Have had lots of good advice regarding strings from Chordians, so now it's just try a few sets and see what I like. 

- Zurf

6,807

(5 replies, posted in Acoustic)

Al V -

This is my third Yamaha if I can include my fretless bass.  But thanks for the welcome anyway. 

- Zurf

6,808

(14 replies, posted in Chordie's Chat Corner)

gander93 wrote:

I can. Here's a question, is musical ability genetic? I think that there's no doubt if you grow up hearing music and seeing players, then you will be more musical. But what if your family is musical, but the one's that can play never do it around you or they don't live close, as is the case with me.

According to the multiple intelligences theory, it would seem that there is a genetic aspect to musical talent.  However, I think people are gifted by the Maker in accordance with His desires and intentions.  Whether He does it with genetics or at His whim, I am entirely unsure.  However, it is obvious that some people have extreme talent that remains undeveloped, some people have little talent that they work very hard and develop quite well, and some fortunate few are gifted with exceptional talent and then work very hard to develop it. 

- Zurf

6,809

(5 replies, posted in Acoustic)

My new Yamaha folk guitar arrived today.  It is SO much easier to strum and do barre chords (which still stink but stink a lot less) than my classical. 

It came with a gratis gig bag, which is cool.  And it also came set up and ready to play.  I didn't have to string it.  I didn't have to change the action.  All I had to do was tune it and start playing.  Sweet. 

Tonight, life is good.  I've been playing it for the last two hours, except for a break I had to take to put my 2 year old back to sleep after waking her by playing too loudly.  Oops.  Strumming out a version of "Louisiana Saturday Night."  And yeah, I know, Mel McDaniel did it as a quiet flatpicking song rather than a strumming song played loud enough to wake sleeping children.  Well, apologies to Mr. McDaniel and my 2 YO, but I like to strum it. 

- Zurf

6,810

(7 replies, posted in Chordie's Chat Corner)

Carl Perkins and Elvis had a good thing going.  Toss in Johnny Cash (Luther Perkins, Carl's dad, was Johnny Cash's first guitar player) and Roy Orbison, too.  They all covered each others work and considered it 'sharing' rather than 'stealing' (though Kris Kristofferson wrote a song called "Let's All Get Together and Steal Each Others Songs").  Elvis did a version of Blue Suede Shoes that wasn't bad at all, though no one does Carl Perkins like Carl Perkins. 

- Zurf

6,811

(19 replies, posted in Chordie's Chat Corner)

I've seen incredible things in my years
Some days are laughter and others are tears" - Jimmy Buffett in "Landfall"

"I'm a man of steel, I can lift a ton
Lose the bandages, lose the pills
Get those boats on up the hill
Oh shit...  Dial 911"   - Ken "Dirty Ed" Willis in "Rich Kid Doctor"

I'll be back and edit in more.

- Zurf


"Well you can't see where you're going in the pouring rain,
when you're running into walls and feeling no pain.
We've all done time with the devil.  And I've done mine.
It took a while to get here, but I'm right on time."
- "Right on Time" composed by Sharon Vaughan and Al Anderson, sung by Randy Travis

6,812

(11 replies, posted in Acoustic)

Willie Nelson uses a pick on his nylon string guitar.  He's worn a hole right through it.  Martin offered to repair the guitar for him free of charge, but he said he likes the way it sounds and will just keep on keeping on with what he's got. 

I have a nylon string classical guitar as well, upon which I'm playing folk and country tunes mostly.  I am trying to learn fingerpick (though I can't seem to get my thumb to pick a bass line while my fingers work independently on a melody), but I play with a pick sometimes too.  I think of Willie Nelson and his beat up old guitar he loves so well each time I do it.  How he gets the speed he does when he and the band get to jamming on songs like "Bloody Mary Morning" or "Good Hearted Woman In Love With a Good Timing Man" I have yet to understand. 

And one last thing, when I was camping with some friends last month, one of them brought a guitar and was playing.  His fingers got sore and he knew that I had been learning, so he asked me to play a few songs while he took a break.  It was a folk style steel string guitar.  It was FAAAAAAAAAR easier to strum than on my nylon string classical.  When I learned to juggle, I used tennis balls because they're much harder than beanbags, so when I used bean bags things were really simple.  I think learning to strum on a classical is kind of the same thing.  It's harder to learn on, but once you've got it - YOU'VE REALLY GOT IT!

- Zurf

Basses - An Ovation Magnum 3.  Ovation looked up the serial number for me.  I don't recall the exact year, but it was built in early '70s.  It's not a collector's item though as the big soapbox pickup is not original. 

Also a Yamaha fretless.  I don't recall the model, but it's a lower-end guitar that sounds good.  Ash body, rosewood fingerboard, Fender jazz style pickups.

Guitars: A Harmony somethingorother 3/4 size that I gave to my daughter.  A Yamaha G-55A beat to heck nylon string classical that is impossible to barre chord.  An Ibanez G10 electric.  Nice instrument, though low-end in their line.  Double cutaway, dual humbuckers.  Maple solid body (I think).  Sounds great in the hands of someone who knows how to handle a guitar.  It's pretty with a natural high gloss finish.  I just ordered a Yamaha F310 folk guitar.  Low-end as well, but I'm a low-end player. 

- Zurf

Thanks for your replies.

I think what I'm going to do at this point is fork out a few bucks and buy three or four different sets of strings.  I'll try them each for a week or two and see which I like best to my ear on this guitar. 

What I'm learning is that everyone has different preferences.   That's good, because it means that there's no wrong answer and that I can't really 'screw up' the decision as to which strings to use.  If it suits me, I guess then it's the right decision until I decide to try something else. 

Thanks again.

- Zurf

6,815

(7 replies, posted in Acoustic)

Here's what a friend of mine told me about learning to play guitar.  He's middle aged like me and has been gigging since he was 16 years old. 

First year you play, you're going to suck.
Second year you play, you're going to suck.  Just accept that.
By the end of the second year, you're going to start sounding OK.
By the fifth year, people are going to be disappointed if you didn't bring your guitar. 

Well, that means I've got 16 more months of suck to go.  There's comfort in that for me.  Hope there is for you. 

- Zurf

Old Doll wrote:

Use an Astray on a Motorbike?

Old Doll.

Funny you mention that.  I'm a fisherman, and I fish from a kayak.  As you might expect, I enjoy the company of other people who fish from kayaks.  It's also a bit safer following the 'buddy system.'  Most of we kayak fishermen modify our kayaks to add items of convenience and comfort.  It's a tinker's paradise, really.  I believe the most humorous modification I've seen is an ashtray affixed to the front deck of one of my buddy's kayaks.  It (the ashtray, not the buddy) was the kind that you drop the butt down inside.  That way the butts would stay in it and not pollute the river when she capsized - which was with monotonous regularity. 

- Zurf

6,817

(17 replies, posted in Chordie's Chat Corner)

jerome.oneil wrote:

Original composition, about a girl's bottom.

Now there's inspiration for you!

- Zurf

6,818

(17 replies, posted in Acoustic)

Good choice with Ain't No Sunsine! 

Hate to be a downer Sumelton, but I don't think I've ever heard Wonderwall.  Not saying it's not a good song though. 

Not sure I've ever heard "Sunglasses at Night" in a pub situation.  Interesting choice.  Another sunglasses song that might work well is "My Future's So Bright I've Got to Wear Shades" by Timbuk3. 

Another song that I think people would dig in a bar that seems in line with your choices is that one with "Don't give me no lines and keep your hands to yourself."  I forget the name of the song (unless that was it).  Georgia Satellites did it. 

- Zurf

6,819

(17 replies, posted in Chordie's Chat Corner)

I was working on "The Country Life" that our esteemed moderator published over in the Songwriting forum.  The Em is giving me fits.  I don't want to sing an Em there.  I think I'll change that for when I do it.  But shhhhhhh.  Don't tell John. 

Tried the "Never Cared for Hippies" too.  Great song.  It sounds good with all laid back strumming and a folksy, sort of Arlo Guthrie delivery.  What a great job he did putting that song together. 

If I were the jealous type, I'd be jealous of their talent.  But ever since I've figured out that God makes some folks one way and some folks another for whatever His purposes are I've not felt the need to be jealous.  So instead I'll celebrate their talent by playing their songs! 

- Zurf

Now that I think of it, the new guitar I ordered just yesterday is as good as free.  I did my turn in the barrel at work and pushed through some pretty shoddy work to make it not as shoddy any more.  Still not good, but not as bad.  Well, a couple of the big shots at work appreciated it and are buying the guitar for me out of their pocket.  They're doing the right thing and notifying payroll as a work bonus, so I'll have to pay some income taxes on it, but that shouldn't be more than $40.  Then I'll have four guitars in my basement with a fifth coming, and have paid for only one of them (the electric I never play- go figure).   I'll probably be selling the electric to help pay for a better acoustic.  I'm just not made for electric guitar.  Maybe I should change my name to Guitar George like the Dire Straights song. 

A friend of mine is a Scot transplanted to West Virginia.  He agreed to teach me to cast with a flyrod.  We stopped for some drinks on the way to the water and he was pinching his coin so hard as he was turning it over to the clerk that I swear I heard it crying. 

- Zurf

Well if you're going down that road Alvee, my current guitar and the guitar I gave my daughter were both free.  I was helping a widowed friend planning to remarry clear out his house in preparation for moving to a new house with his new bride.  Well, in the back of one of his closets there were a bunch of guitars from his late wife's former boyfriend.  Not surprisingly, he didn't want them.  I got three.  Gave one to my daughter, one to my sister, and kept one for myself.  My sister's going to give the one I gave her back to me because she got a banjo and a better guitar and so never plays the one I gave her. 

How's that for a deal considering I'm not a Scot and can't get blood from a turnip no matter how hard I try.

- Zurf

I liked the sound of some of the Takamine's, but the necks are so shallow that I think they're much better suited for people with hands smaller than mine.   For under $500, I'd have to recommend for people to also check out the low-end offerings from Taylor, Martin, and Breedlove as well.  The list prices are well above $500, but I have found all of them in guitar shops for REAL walk-out-the-door prices under $500.  (American dollars used)

For some reason, I've always had a thing against Washburn.  Not sure why, really.  Can't say I've even ever played one.  Growing up, I had a good (and very pretty) friend with the last name Washburn, so you'd think I'd have positive associations with the name. 

- Zurf

6,823

(8 replies, posted in Songwriting)

Love it.  When I played it, the melody to "My Whole Life is Waiting Behind Door Number Three" was what struck me, so it sounds kind of old Buffett in my house.  Not sure if that's what you had in mind. 

Would be great if I could print these out to stick them in my folder and learn them well.

And I played it barefoot, just to be sure.  Though my usual off-work footwear is Minnetonka Jesus sandals with white ankle socks.  That Country enough for you?  If not, I may be able to slip on my bright yellow rubber overboots. 

- Zurf

6,824

(10 replies, posted in Songwriting)

Played it.  Great.  How can I print it to put it in my binder? 

- Zurf

6,825

(10 replies, posted in Songwriting)

Cool.  I transcribe just about every song in my songbook to D or G just to avoid F, F#m, and any B chord but B7.  Even trained myself to sing in D or G.  Stinking barre chords.   May have to add a verse just to include the tricky little blanketyblanks. 

- Zurf